Dear Bruno,

   I think that we should start with 1p - the solipsist - as fundamental
and then work from there to solve the problem of the other which will give
us a 3p.


On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

>
> On 31 Dec 2013, at 19:59, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> Dear Bruno,
>
>   Is a 3p view necessarily an ontological primitive?
>
>
>
> OF course: no. Only the one we assume at the start.
>
> But an ontological primitive is arguably necessarily 3p in the scientific
> explanation of the 1p, or on anything.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If we follow Wheeler's reasoning there is no such thing!
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 31 Dec 2013, at 17:44, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>>
>>  Jason,
>>>
>>> Not quite. The CONTENTS of conscious are the results of computations.
>>>
>>
>> This is ambiguous, and I am not sure you are using the standard sense of
>> "computations".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  The FACT of consciousness itself, that the computations are conscious,
>>> is due to the self-manifesting nature of reality as explained in the other
>>> post.
>>>
>>
>> Does it help you to answer "yes" or "no" to the doctor who propose you an
>> artificial brain simulating your brain or body at some level of
>> substitution?
>>
>> Is the functioning of a brain Turing emulable, in your theory?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The rest of your questions don't follow. The fact that reality is real
>>> and actually exists means it must be present.
>>>
>>
>> It means *a* reality is present. *the* reality is the problem, what we
>> search, using this or that theories.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  That presence of reality self-manifests as the shared common present
>>> moment we all experience our existence within, which is the shared locus of
>>> reality, and that present moment is the only locus of reality. Therefore no
>>> block time, no MW, etc.
>>>
>>
>> In the first person view. Not necessarily in the 3p view, and it should
>> be better so, I think, to avoid solipsism and mono-dream.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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