Dear Bruno, I think that we should start with 1p - the solipsist - as fundamental and then work from there to solve the problem of the other which will give us a 3p.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 19:59, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear Bruno, > > Is a 3p view necessarily an ontological primitive? > > > > OF course: no. Only the one we assume at the start. > > But an ontological primitive is arguably necessarily 3p in the scientific > explanation of the 1p, or on anything. > > Bruno > > > > > > > If we follow Wheeler's reasoning there is no such thing! > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 31 Dec 2013, at 17:44, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Jason, >>> >>> Not quite. The CONTENTS of conscious are the results of computations. >>> >> >> This is ambiguous, and I am not sure you are using the standard sense of >> "computations". >> >> >> >> >> >> The FACT of consciousness itself, that the computations are conscious, >>> is due to the self-manifesting nature of reality as explained in the other >>> post. >>> >> >> Does it help you to answer "yes" or "no" to the doctor who propose you an >> artificial brain simulating your brain or body at some level of >> substitution? >> >> Is the functioning of a brain Turing emulable, in your theory? >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> The rest of your questions don't follow. The fact that reality is real >>> and actually exists means it must be present. >>> >> >> It means *a* reality is present. *the* reality is the problem, what we >> search, using this or that theories. >> >> >> >> >> >> That presence of reality self-manifests as the shared common present >>> moment we all experience our existence within, which is the shared locus of >>> reality, and that present moment is the only locus of reality. Therefore no >>> block time, no MW, etc. >>> >> >> In the first person view. Not necessarily in the 3p view, and it should >> be better so, I think, to avoid solipsism and mono-dream. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >> topic/everything-list/7G5zm5OFT0k/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > [email protected] > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. 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