On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> > On 01 Jan 2014, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/1/2014 4:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 Jan 2014, at 01:18, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/31/2013 1:58 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 1 January 2014 10:46, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 31 Dec 2013, at 03:09, LizR wrote: >> >>> >>> But I feel that you must already know this. Are you just being Devil's >>> Advocate, or do you honestly not see the usefulness of multiverse theories? >>> >> >> Partly playing Devil's Advocate - but doing so because I'm not convinced >> that Everett's MWI is the last word and because I don't like to see the >> hard problem of predicting/explaining *this* to be fuzzed over by an easy >> "everythingism". >> >> Your use of disparaging language to sum up the opposing position > doesn't fill me with optimism that you actually get why this hard problem > may in fact have been solved. There is no "fuzzing over" involved in the > MWI, quite the reverse - you need to "fuzz things over" if you want to get > "this" out of QM as a unique solution. Collapse of the wave function and so > on -- a "fuzzy" hand-waving exercise. > > > That's the usual argument of MWI advocates, "It's better than collapse of > the wave function." But is it? It's only better than Copenhagen. What > about Penrose? And what about the subjective Bayesian interpretation. > > > I'm not 100% ken on the straw man, either. *No one *thinks the MWI is > the last word, because it isn't a TOE. But it *may* be a good > approximation (or it may not, of course). > > > ?? It's an *interpretation*. > > > I disagree with this. Everett did propose a new theory. It is SWE, that > is QM without collapse. *All* interpretations of it are multi-realities. > Everett is just QM, and the Everett branches comes from not avoiding the > contagion of superposition, which follows from SWE linearity. The > existence of the relative superposition is a theorem of QM. Copenhagen is > SWE+ collapse, and this is self-contradictory or quite fuzzy (what is the > collapse?). > > > It is changing your knowledge of the wave-function - replacing some > uncertainty with some knowledge. > > > Arguably so if the comp arithmetical quantum logic fits with the observed > quantum logic. I do appreciate Pauli and Fuchs. Where I disagree, is that > they oppose this to Everett, but I see no reason why. In fact Everett+Fuch > is made consistent in the many-dreams interpretation of arithmetic, > developed by the numbers inside arithmetic. > > Bruno > > > Bruno, you may take this as a joke. > But I think that quantum state selection is like selected a sperm to enter the egg. In the dream space the most probably staets are clustered together, And all together, like the intelligent sperm, The states decide which state is selected to enter the physical world.. Richard > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.