On 10 Jan 2014, at 03:34, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Liz,
No, that's not the only way to falsify it. One merely needs to show
it doesn't properly describe reality as I've just done.
?
If you even assume a computational universe in the first place you
have to assume (you are assuming) that it computes reality. The fact
that reality exists is conclusive proof.
That a reality independent of my consciousness exists is not a fact.
It is a prayer. Except for the reality of our own consciousness, but
all content of consciousness (except that one) are doubtable.
Second, a reality can exist without being computed. the best and
simple example is arithmetic. Only a very tiny part of it is
computable (this is provable if you accept the Church Turing thesis).
Bruno
Edgar
On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:53:18 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 10 January 2014 14:22, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
Liz,
No, I don't agree with that at all. As I've said on a number of
occasions, reality is obviously computed because it exists. What
more convincing proof could there be?
One that explains why that has to be so would be a good start.
If Bruno's comp claims reality is non-computable it's pure nonsense
that is conclusively falsified by the very existence of reality.
The point is that certain assumptions lead to certain conclusions.
If the conclusions invalidate the assumptions, then the correct
response is to throw out the original assumptions as invalid. Bruno
starts from the assumption that consciousness is a form of
computation and draws certain inferences. This isn't what comp
"claims" it's what the argument shows, given the assumptions. The
only way to falsify it is to show that one of the assumptions is
wrong, or that there is a flaw in the reasoning that leads to the
conclusions.
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