On 13 January 2014 02:23, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am >> conscious, > > > I think this is misleading. Are you really a dumb of matter? I think that > your body can be a lump of dumb matter, but that *you* are a person, using > that dumb of matter as a vehicle and mean to manifest yourself. In principle > (assuming comp of course), you can change your body every morning (and as > you have often explain your self, we do change our "lump of dumb matter" > every n number of years. Perhaps it is misleading to say that "I am" the dumb matter if my consciousness is not necessarily attached to any particular matter. >> so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in >> a special way might not also be conscious. > > > But here I agree with your point, although it is less misleading to consider > the person as some immaterial entity (like a game, a program, memories, > personality traits, ... no need of magical soul with wings) owning your > body. > If the human would born directly fixed inside a car, they would also believe > that their car is part of their body. Nature provides us with a body at > birth, and that might be the reason why we tend to identify ourselves with > our bodies, but comp, which I think you accept, shows the limit of this > identification, imo. > Eventually, the UDA shows that at a very fundamental level, bodies are only > statistical machine's percepts, or statistical relative numbers percepts. > > > > >> What is it about that idea >> that you see as not only wrong, but ridiculous? > > > It is not what I am saying here, to be sure. > > Bruno > > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
