On 13 January 2014 02:23, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am >> conscious, > > > I think this is misleading. Are you really a dumb of matter? I think that > your body can be a lump of dumb matter, but that *you* are a person, using > that dumb of matter as a vehicle and mean to manifest yourself. In principle > (assuming comp of course), you can change your body every morning (and as > you have often explain your self, we do change our "lump of dumb matter" > every n number of years. Perhaps it is misleading to say that "I am" the dumb matter if my consciousness is not necessarily attached to any particular matter. >> so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in >> a special way might not also be conscious. > > > But here I agree with your point, although it is less misleading to consider > the person as some immaterial entity (like a game, a program, memories, > personality traits, ... no need of magical soul with wings) owning your > body. > If the human would born directly fixed inside a car, they would also believe > that their car is part of their body. Nature provides us with a body at > birth, and that might be the reason why we tend to identify ourselves with > our bodies, but comp, which I think you accept, shows the limit of this > identification, imo. > Eventually, the UDA shows that at a very fundamental level, bodies are only > statistical machine's percepts, or statistical relative numbers percepts. > > > > >> What is it about that idea >> that you see as not only wrong, but ridiculous? > > > It is not what I am saying here, to be sure. > > Bruno > > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.