On 13 January 2014 02:23, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> On 12 Jan 2014, at 06:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:


>> I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
>> conscious,
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> I think this is misleading. Are you really a dumb of matter? I think that
> your body can be a lump of dumb matter, but that *you* are a person, using
> that dumb of matter as a vehicle and mean to manifest yourself. In principle
> (assuming comp of course), you can change your body every morning (and as
> you have often explain your self, we do change our "lump of dumb matter"
> every n number of years.

Perhaps it is misleading to say that "I am" the dumb matter if my
consciousness is not necessarily attached to any particular matter.

>> so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
>> a special way might not also be conscious.
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> But here I agree with your point, although it is less misleading to consider
> the person as some immaterial entity (like a game, a program, memories,
> personality traits, ... no need of magical soul with wings) owning your
> body.
> If the human would born directly fixed inside a car, they would also believe
> that their car is part of their body. Nature provides us with a body at
> birth, and that might be the reason why we tend to identify ourselves with
> our bodies, but comp, which I think you accept, shows the limit of this
> identification, imo.
> Eventually, the UDA shows that at a very fundamental level, bodies are only
> statistical machine's percepts, or statistical relative numbers percepts.
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>> What is it about that idea
>> that you see as not only wrong, but ridiculous?
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> It is not what I am saying here, to be sure.
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> Bruno
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> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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