On 1/15/2014 11:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:58 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 1/15/2014 7:05 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
    Hyper determinism makes little sense as a serious theory to me. Why should 
    properties conform to what a computer's random number generator outputs, 
and then
    the digits of Pi, and then the binary expansion of the square root of 2, all
    variously as the experimenters change the knobs as to what determines the 
spin axis
    of the lepton their analyzer measures. Are radioactive decays of particles 
    such things that are governed by the behavior of a selected random source, 
    alternately, are they really such things that govern what the digits of Pi 
or the
    square root of 2 are?

    They are all part of the same reality.

Are they? Aren't numbers like Pi and sqrt(2) beyond the reality of QM, or rather, more fundamental than it? The moment you admit numbers like Pi into your reality, you get much more than just QM.

Of course QM is just a model of how we think the world works...like arithmetic is a model of countable things. Neither one is *reality*.

    You assume its the experimental choice of measurement that determines the 
    response, but I think the picture is supposed to be that both the particle 
in the
    experiment and the particles making up the experimenter are determined by 
the same laws.

So how, when using the digits of Pi to decide whether to measure the x-axis, or the y-axis, does the particle (when it decays), know to have both electron and positron agree measured on some axis, when that axis is determined by some relation between a circle and its diameter? Here the laws involved seemed to go beyond physical laws, it introduces "mathematical laws", which can selectively be made to control/guide physics..

They only 'seem to' because you neglect the fact that in the experiment you don't use the digits of pi from Platonia, you use their physical instantiation as calculated in the registers of a computer or written ink on a page.


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