On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:53, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/15/2014 11:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote:On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:58 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>wrote:On 1/15/2014 7:05 PM, Jason Resch wrote:Hyper determinism makes little sense as a serious theory to me.Why should particle properties conform to what a computer's randomnumber generator outputs, and then the digits of Pi, and then thebinary expansion of the square root of 2, all variously as theexperimenters change the knobs as to what determines the spin axisof the lepton their analyzer measures. Are radioactive decays ofparticles really such things that are governed by the behavior ofa selected random source, or alternately, are they really suchthings that govern what the digits of Pi or the square root of 2are?They are all part of the same reality.Are they? Aren't numbers like Pi and sqrt(2) beyond the reality ofQM, or rather, more fundamental than it? The moment you admitnumbers like Pi into your reality, you get much more than just QM.Of course QM is just a model

A theory.

of how we think the world works...like arithmetic is a model ofcountable things. Neither one is *reality*.

`PA is a reality, by itself, indeed an existing LĂ¶bian machine, and PA`

`talks about a reality which is vaster than PA, and that no machine can`

`grasp in its entirety. You confuse theory and model here.`

You assume its the experimental choice of measurement thatdetermines the particles response, but I think the picture issupposed to be that both the particle in the experiment and theparticles making up the experimenter are determined by the same laws.So how, when using the digits of Pi to decide whether to measurethe x-axis, or the y-axis, does the particle (when it decays), knowto have both electron and positron agree measured on some axis,when that axis is determined by some relation between a circle andits diameter? Here the laws involved seemed to go beyond physicallaws, it introduces "mathematical laws", which can selectively bemade to control/guide physics..They only 'seem to' because you neglect the fact that in theexperiment you don't use the digits of pi from Platonia, you usetheir physical instantiation as calculated in the registers of acomputer or written ink on a page.

`You agree that there is a difference between Platonia, and the inside`

`more terrestrial perception of it.`

Bruno

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