On 1/17/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 18 January 2014 16:08, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    On Jan 17, 2014, at 6:58 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
    <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
    On 1/17/2014 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
    PA is a reality, by itself, indeed an existing Löbian machine, and PA talks 
about
    a reality which is vaster than PA, and that no machine can grasp in its 
entirety.
    You confuse theory and model here.
    You can't kick Peano's axioms.
    What is your point? That things don't exist unless you can kick them?


Real things kick back. Maths kicks back...

Only metaphorically.

Brent

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