On Jan 17, 2014, at 6:58 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

On 1/17/2014 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

PA is a reality, by itself, indeed an existing Löbian machine, and PA talks about a reality which is vaster than PA, and that no mac hine can grasp in its entirety. You confuse theory and model here.

You can't kick Peano's axioms.

What is your point? That things don't exist unless you can kick them?

Jason



Brent
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