2014/1/17 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> > Quentin, > > Yes, I understand this. But they are clearly not at the same clock time > coordinates. So called 'coordinate time' is basically an accounting trick > that relativity uses to d make sense of the problems I point out without > realizing the real implications of those problems, namely that there is an > entirely different P-time. > > Coordinate time says, if there was an absolute p-time it would work > something like this but then claims there is no such absolute p-time which > is contradictory. Well it doesn't work quite like that but that's what it > tries to do, account for the problem of different clock times being in the > same present moment. But the only way to really account for that is to > accept the fact that there is a present moment which is not the same as > clock time. >
No to account for that, you have just to understand how relativity theory works... I have a hint for you ===> "relativity'. Quentin > > Coordinate time is not understood to be a separate physical time than > clock time. It's just a different way of calculating clock times. > > Edgar > > > On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:36:49 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014/1/17 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> >> >> Quentin, >> >> No, not at all. They are NOT at the same spacetime coordinates >> >> >> Yes they are... >> >> >> because their clock time t values are different. >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinate_time >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_time >> >> Quentin >> >> >> Only if their clocktime t values as well as their x,y,z values were the >> same would they be at the same spacetime coordinates. I hate to say it but >> that is quite obvious.... >> >> But they are in the exact same p-time present moment because they can >> shake hands and compare clocks.... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:24:33 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2014/1/17 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> >> >> Stephen, >> >> Your argument is fine. It's standard GR. BUT for the nth time it's >> talking about CLOCK TIME simultaneity, rather than the present moment of >> p-time. It still doesn't seem to register that there is a difference even >> though the fact of the twins meeting with different clock times in the SAME >> present >> >> >> They are at the same present moment *because* they are at the same >> spacetime coordinates, that's the only and unique reason as to why they can >> meet at that moment, there is absolutely no need of an unexistant p-time. >> >> Quentin >> >> >> moment clearly demonstrates they are different. >> >> You can argue no inherent absolute clock time simultaneities till the >> cows come home and I will agree EVERY TIME. >> >> But that just ain't the p-time present moment as the twins prove over and >> over .... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:13:14 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> Dear Edgar, >> >> I already wrote up one argument against the concept of a universal >> present moment using the general covariance requirement of GR. Did you read >> it? It is impossible to define a clock on an infinitesimal region of >> space-time thus it is impossible to define a "present moment" in a way that >> could be "universal" for observers that exist in a space-time. There are >> alternatives that I have mentioned. >> The non-communicability of first person informa >> >> ... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
