On 30 January 2014 12:09, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:01:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>
>> On 30 January 2014 11:39, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30 January 2014 11:24, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:34:48 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg 
>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > NO ROOM CAN BE CONSCIOUS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we know that because we can say it in all capital letters, or
>>>>>> possibly from the teachings of two of your favorite subjects, astrology 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> numerology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The all caps were in response to Bruno's all caps, and no, you don't
>>>>> need astrology and numerology to understand that rooms are not haunted by
>>>>> the spirits of system-hood.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Imagine a small, roughly spherical room made out of a fairly hard
>>>> material something like limestone. Make a few holes in it, fill it with
>>>> some goop with the consistency of blancmange, decorate with sense organs
>>>> and throw in a body.
>>>>
>>>> Et voila!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Voila, a cadaver.
>>>
>>> Unless *all *such objects are cadavers, this "disproves" the statement
>> that *no *room can be conscious.
>>
>> (I must admit the idea that "no room can be conscious" seems to demand
>> qualification...)
>>
>
> All such objects would be cadavers, in the absence of some subjective
> experience which is being expressed.
>

What about anaesthesia and dreamless sleep?

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