On 31 January 2014 04:19, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think there is a problem if consciousness is an epiphenomenon. > > > Is it not that very idea which leads to the notion of zombie? > If consciousness is an epiphenomenon, eliminating it would change nothing in > the 3p.
There can be no zombies if consciousness is epiphenomenal. Equivalently, if consciousness is epiphenomenal we could say it does not really exist and we are all zombies; but I think that's just semantics, and misleading. >> If you start looking for consciousness being an extra thing with >> (perhaps) its own separate causal efficacy, that's where problems >> arise. > > > Dualism is a problem. Making consciousness epiphenomenal is not satisfying, > and basically contradicted in the everyday life. It is because pain is > unpleasant that we take anesthetic medicine. > > The brain is obliged to "lie" at some (uncknown, crypted) level, not for > consciousness (that it filters), but for pain and joy. That's normal. If you > run toward the lion mouth, you lower the probability of surviving. > > Epiphenomenalism does not eliminate consciousness, but it still eliminate > conscience and persons. I don't think it diminishes the significance of consciousness, but maybe I just look at it differently. > With comp I think we avoid it, even if the solution will appear to be very > Platonist, as truth, beauty, and universal values (mostly unknown) will be > more "real" than their local terrestrial approximations through primitively > physical brains and other interacting molecules like galaxies foam. > > Bruno > >> >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
