Bruno wrote (among many others) on Feb 1 in replying to my post of Jan 31: *...mathematical truth is not substituted for reality. i show that the machine's epistemology is already richer than the mathematical truth. *
*Then, yes, for the ontology, IF we assume comp, then the mathematical, even the arithmetical reality, is shown to be complete.* *But we stay agnostic on this, as we stay agnostic on comp itself.* *Somehow you seem to be non agnostic on the question of reality. You seem to talk like if you knew that reality is not the arithmetical reality. * *Then it just means that *your* theory is incompatible with the computationalist hypothesis, and there are no problem with that (especially that you did say recently that you don't say "yes" to the doctor (which shows also that you are not agnostic on comp: you believe it to be false).* *Bruno* The first 2 par-s are contradictory. Let us forget about 'ontology' for now, I consider it our 'figment' of what we BELIEVE is existing around us. If the 'machine's' epistemology is RICHER than math-truth (allow me to substitute here: math. reality) then the 'overall' (infinite, unknowable whatever REALITY cannot be restricted to the math-reality (which - in your choice seems to be required to be specified (=reduced in context) to "mathematical). I don't feel it like "non-agnostic". The 'infinite(?) reality' (what we just do not know) without specifying restrictions, includes domains like (your) machine epistemology and others from the infinite complexity we have no access to today. I "never called" my narrative-based views a THEORY. My position - in my opinion - does not state that 'comp' is false: it sais only that it is incomplete and cannot be applied for 'final' conclusions to draw from. I leave open a backdoor for unknowns. John M -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
