Sorry, that wasn't quite what I meant. I should have said there were some 60s songs that were fairly punk style, one of which mentioned an ice cream cone but I can't remember anything else about it.
As a separate point, Cale was (probably) the most punkish of the Velvets imho - "Leaving it up to you" comes to mind as an example, but he was (and perhaps still is) very experimental in all sorts of ways. More of an attitude than a musical style, however. I saw him live once and he still had it, that could only have been about 10 years ago. And yes when I mentioned Iggy Pop I was thinking mainly of the Stooges, I have "Raw power" somewhere - with the volume on the CD higher than most (I guess it goes up to 11 :-) Which is a bit ironic because my copy of Iggy's "Repo Man" theme is quieter than almost anything else in my collection. Why can't CDs have consistent volume for those of us who turn them into a collection of MP3s? On 10 March 2014 10:13, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, there were quite a few punk-style bands in the 60s, although memory > fails me apart from the obvious, the Velvet Underground and associated > spinoffs (John Cale in particular). One song in particular - I just > remember this line about an ice cream cone, but the rest escapes me. > > > On 10 March 2014 08:27, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: >> everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ghib...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 09, 2014 10:31 AM >> *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: The way the future was >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:09:32 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 9 March 2014 00:18, <ghi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> this is what the Clash predicted >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkyCrx4DyMk >> >> >> >> I stumbled on it....considering it's meant to be Punk, I was surprised >> how good it is. Good vocals >> >> >> >> What on earth do you mean? Of course punk is good (I think of the Clash >> as one of the less good examples myself, London Calling is definitely so-so >> imho). Siouxsie and the Banshees (listen to "Once upon a time" for the best >> tracks), the Pretenders (especially their first album), Ian Dury and the >> Blockheads, the Stranglers, the Go-gos, X-ray spex ... to name but a few >> ... all good musicians liberated by the "new wave" ... or going back >> earlier we have the Velvet Underground, arguably the proto-punks (or maybe >> proto-Goths...or indeed >> proto-almost-everything-that-the-Beatles-weren't-proto), not to mention the >> wonderful Iggy Pop and I guess Blondie and Sonic Youth, to take two ends of >> the spectrum. And the Flaming Lips. And then you can look at all the bands >> and individuals influenced by punk, from Grunge to House to Grindcore to >> Black Metal to whatever the kids are listening to now (Lorde, mainly, it >> seems, who went to the same school as my son :) >> >> >> >> Don't forget the original punk song - IMO - Pushing too Hard by the Seeds >> - first released as a single way back in 1965. Definitely a precursor to >> Grunge and Punk. I would also mention the Thirteenth Floor Elevators (Rocky >> Erickson's first band - before they locked him up in an insane asylum in >> Texas for having some Marijuana seeds in his car) and tortured him with >> electro shock therapy. The Stooges (Iggy Pops original band) and the MC5 >> another hard core Detroit band form the same era - also are influential >> deep roots of Punk & Grunge and Metal as well. Jimi Hendrix bears >> mentioning too - he took the guitar to a new place (it is a tragedy that he >> died so soon) >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> This is looking at the first ever copy of I.D. magazine tee hee. That >> might not be a comprehensible point to make.....it's just that I remember >> seeing what must have been an earlier issue at the time...looked like a >> load of paper stapled together. Each page was made up of a rack of >> snapshots of people photographed on the street just for catching the eye >> for being different. The quality of everything from the paper, the print, >> the picture quality, staples, even the people In the shots most dimensions >> wasn't necessarily better than dirt. But it was about one dimension of the >> person in the picture, only. Authenticity. To a peer...another young >> person. Doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things..not meant to ei >> itther. But it was very important at the time....who was authentic. Looks >> have always mattered a lot, because in the end everything was always about >> getting laid. But being a looker and a scuzzbucket wouldn't get you in for >> long. Being authentic and scuzzbucket would. Being authentic and ugly as >> shit would get you in. Obviously being authenatic and drop dead gorgeous >> was to be the best. That was me and you. >> >> >> >> Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did >> arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type >> of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but >> bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing >> away. The world was never the same. >> >> >> >> Yeah what a tosser. But it's definitely a case of not knowing what would >> have been the same/different had he not walked the earth. >> >> >> >> Happy days! >> >> >> >> Happy memories. >> >> >> >> Being different, dressing different, making your own music, writing your >> own lyrics. It's something kids marv el ad,t when a band does it today. It >> was the norm back in the day. A lucky time that way. Black music was >> something to marvel at, so diverse, so experimental, so leading the way. It >> just vanished , I hope it comes back one day. Simon Cowell says the average >> quality is higher than ever, but a sausage factory does that >> >> >> >> Yes indeed. But I see that spark in Lorde and even dear Lady Gaga. To >> quote Lorde, not verbatim, She had to do a photoshoot (being famous now and >> all that) and the photographer kept saying 'Smile!' and after a while she >> said, 'I got here because I did my own thing, and I'm not smiling because >> you tell me to!' - and she didn't, and we have photos to prove it. >> >> >> >> >> PS And she's on the cover of "Rolling Stone" wearing a "Cramps" >> T-shirt!!!!! That girl is definitely my hero now, even if I didn't like her >> music - I thought the Cramps were only for weirdos like me. (In a couple of >> years she WILL be playing Morticia Addams, either on film or in real life.) >> >> >> >> I don't know much of her music but I saw her on a talk show I never >> normally watch, and liked her a lot. There's a lot of great performers, >> easily as good as the best back then. Christine aguil-wtf her name is was >> brilliant. Many more. But here the middle is matters a lot IMHO, and what >> the middle is about. For the young I mean. Beca use that's how most of them >> get to be young in the world. It's not about the stars, it's about them. 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