Elvis (not Costello)...

On 11 March 2014 12:00, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream
> and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)
>
> Rick Astley ... post punk rocker...
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:45:50 +1300
>
> Subject: Re: The way the future was
> From: lizj...@gmail.com
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music
> collection, along with many others generally called punk.
> John Lydon also gave me my all time favourite headline, "Sex pistol
> attacks New Zealand butter".
>
> I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue -
>
> Enthusiastically attack butter (4)
>
> ...but anyway, yes, I like the Pistols some of the time, even if they were
> McLaren's "boy band" really.
>
> PS whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream
> and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)
>
>
>
>
> On 11 March 2014 02:49, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here
>
> Something significant happened to pop music for sure.
>
> In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood
> of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean.
> Daddy Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie.
>
> And then:
>
> Dragged on a table in factory
> Illegitimate place to be
> In a packet in a lavatory
> Die little baby screaming
> Body screaming fucking bloody mess
> Not an animal
> It's an abortion
>
> Body! I'm not animal
> Mummy! I'm not an abortion
>
>
> It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the
> dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way.
> Its far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash
> or any other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is
> singing about abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument
> between the unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's
> pretty brainy lyrically and very surreal.
>
>  I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really.
>
> I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though.
>
>
> > From: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au
>
> > Subject: Re: The way the future was
> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100
> > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did
> arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type
> of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but
> bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing
> away. The world was never the same.
> >
> > I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due
> respect, you are saying that something musically significant happened here
> but I only ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he
> called himself rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as
> festering shit. What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I
> mean, concerning the actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm,
> harmony, melody - all that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever
> at those things. But then he didn't even write his own music because he was
> too off his dial most of the time. None of this precludes the distinct
> possibility that you, as I myself still do, find vastly entertaining,
> listening to the Sex Pistols very occasionally. I often do listen to music
> I really hate if only to realise why in ever more glory that I love the
> music I really do love...
> >
> > Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have.
> >
> > Kim
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