>> whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream and 
>> even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)

Rick Astley ... post punk rocker...


Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:45:50 +1300
Subject: Re: The way the future was
From: lizj...@gmail.com
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music collection, 
along with many others generally called punk.John Lydon also gave me my all 
time favourite headline, "Sex pistol attacks New Zealand butter".

I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue - 
Enthusiastically attack butter (4)
...but anyway, yes, I like the Pistols some of the time, even if they were 
McLaren's "boy band" really.

PS whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream and 
even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)




On 11 March 2014 02:49, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote:




>> you are saying that something musically significant happened here

Something significant happened to pop music for sure.

In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood of 
Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. Daddy 
Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie.


And then:

Dragged on a table in factory

Illegitimate place to be

In a packet in a lavatory

Die little baby screaming

Body screaming fucking bloody mess

Not an animal

It's an abortion



Body! I'm not animal

Mummy! I'm not an abortion


It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the 
dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way. Its 
far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash or any 
other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is singing about 
abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument between the 
unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's pretty brainy 
lyrically and very surreal. 


 I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really.

I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though.


> From: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au

> Subject: Re: The way the future was
> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did 
> > arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type 
> > of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but 
> > bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing 
> > away. The world was never the same.

> 
> I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due respect, 
> you are saying that something musically significant happened here but I only 
> ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he called himself 
> rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as festering shit. 
> What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I mean, concerning the 
> actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm, harmony, melody - all 
> that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever at those things. But 
> then he didn't even write his own music because he was too off his dial most 
> of the time. None of this precludes the distinct possibility that you, as I 
> myself still do, find vastly entertaining, listening to the Sex Pistols very 
> occasionally. I often do listen to music I really hate if only to realise why 
> in ever more glory that I love the music I really do love...

> 
> Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have.
> 
> Kim
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