On 11 April 2014 02:17, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote:
>
>> On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dreams need not have any possible evolutionary justification, since
>>> their presence or absence is irrelevant to behavior.
>>>
>>
>> My dream caused this thread to come into existence, and you to make the
>> statement quoted above. Hence you have "refuted yourself thus!" :-)
>>
>>
> No, we can't smuggle in our real world experience of dreams affecting our
> behavior into the theoretical world that functionalism would allow. If we
> do, it's begging the question; we are saying in effect 'Music must have an
> effect on cars, since cars come with radios'. Music might make you drive
> your car faster or miss your exit, but that doesn't mean that music itself
> should be explained as arising from the manufacture of automobiles. If you
> look only at what a car requires, and are careful not to smuggle in what
> *your use* of a car includes, then we can see that evolution can only
> really account for physiological behaviors, not subjectivity. All
> subjective experiences could and would be replaced by unconscious
> automation in a purely biological view of life.
>

Fine, so a counter example is dismissed as "smuggling in" because you don't
like it. When I use a word it means what I want it to mean... ffs. If
that's your idea of a reasonable response, excuse me while I put you on my
ignore list.

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