On 10 Apr 2014, at 20:52, [email protected] wrote:
Interesting, Professor Marchal. From what I have read some lucid
dreamers can actually feel the metal top of a car, or the feel of a
wooden fence as the dream 'walks' by. Plus, the dreamer knows he is
dreaming. There is a California university psychologist who teaches
his students how to get themselves to dream,lucidly. The
psychologist believes that all the biblical visions of the Bible
were all, in fact, lucid dreams.
You can even buy or build "lucid dream" machine, which can help some
people to awaken in the dream, and be lucid.
(just search the net on "lucid dream machine").
It's fascinating and the thought comes to mind (my mind) that it's
all a solipsism. My question then, would be, who is the dreamer?
An indian was pleased to teach philosophy in lucid dreams, and he took
pleasure to mock the audience by pretending *he* was the dreamer, and
that he controls everything, and that the others where existing only
thanks to him.
Eventually, a guy of the audience came to him with a wood stick and
begun to strike him, and then asked him "are you really sure you know
who is the dreamer and who is in control", and continued to strike him
until he woke up! :)
Bruno
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From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
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Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: My scepticism took a small knock today
On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:57, LizR wrote:
On 10 April 2014 22:54, <[email protected]> wrote:
Dream better, please.
Controlling your dreams is a whole new ballgame, or so I've been
led to believe.
My feeling is that controlling is a nuisance for lucidity, or even
just the quality of a dream. The lucid dream can become like a day-
dream fantasy if you let yourself take the whole control. You can
develop easily typical recurring "control" habits.
It took me many years to no more fly in lucid dreams, and just walk
and get on with the dream.
I would say that on the contrary, the more you abandon control, the
more big is the chance to be unexpectedly surprised and led to a
"big dream".
It is similar with some psychotropics, and perhaps with life,
and ... (of course!) computer science, where universality entails
partial control only (if your remember the proof?).
Is it a new ballgame? The French and Dutch wrote quite impressive
books on lucid dreams in the 19th century, but before Jouvet,
Hearne, LaBerge, Dement, etc. that was out the domain of science
(for bad reasons).
Dreams constitutes the royal path to metaphysics and doubt. The
indian yoga vasistha, like the whole platonism (in my opinion) is
based on that idea. It is easy to become lucid in one dream, but it
can be hard, if not impossible, to *remain* lucid in the many dreams.
Bruno
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