On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:51:40 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote:
>
> On 11 April 2014 02:17, Craig Weinberg <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote:
>>
>>> On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dreams need not have any possible evolutionary justification, since 
>>>> their presence or absence is irrelevant to behavior. 
>>>>
>>>
>>> My dream caused this thread to come into existence, and you to make the 
>>> statement quoted above. Hence you have "refuted yourself thus!" :-)
>>>
>>>
>> No, we can't smuggle in our real world experience of dreams affecting our 
>> behavior into the theoretical world that functionalism would allow. If we 
>> do, it's begging the question; we are saying in effect 'Music must have an 
>> effect on cars, since cars come with radios'. Music might make you drive 
>> your car faster or miss your exit, but that doesn't mean that music itself 
>> should be explained as arising from the manufacture of automobiles. If you 
>> look only at what a car requires, and are careful not to smuggle in what 
>> *your use* of a car includes, then we can see that evolution can only 
>> really account for physiological behaviors, not subjectivity. All 
>> subjective experiences could and would be replaced by unconscious 
>> automation in a purely biological view of life.
>>
>
> Fine, so a counter example is dismissed as "smuggling in" because you 
> don't like it. When I use a word it means what I want it to mean... ffs. If 
> that's your idea of a reasonable response, excuse me while I put you on my 
> ignore list.
>

You're projecting your refusal to be wrong on to me. My example stands. It 
has nothing to do with what I like, it just makes more sense.
 

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