Interesting, Professor Marchal. From what I have read some lucid dreamers can actually feel the metal top of a car, or the feel of a wooden fence as the dream 'walks' by. Plus, the dreamer knows he is dreaming. There is a California university psychologist who teaches his students how to get themselves to dream,lucidly. The psychologist believes that all the biblical visions of the Bible were all, in fact, lucid dreams. It's fascinating and the thought comes to mind (my mind) that it's all a solipsism. My question then, would be, who is the dreamer?
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 12:34 pm Subject: Re: My scepticism took a small knock today On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:57, LizR wrote: On 10 April 2014 22:54, <[email protected]> wrote: Dream better, please. Controlling your dreams is a whole new ballgame, or so I've been led to believe. My feeling is that controlling is a nuisance for lucidity, or even just the quality of a dream. The lucid dream can become like a day-dream fantasy if you let yourself take the whole control. You can develop easily typical recurring "control" habits. It took me many years to no more fly in lucid dreams, and just walk and get on with the dream. I would say that on the contrary, the more you abandon control, the more big is the chance to be unexpectedly surprised and led to a "big dream". It is similar with some psychotropics, and perhaps with life, and ... (of course!) computer science, where universality entails partial control only (if your remember the proof?). Is it a new ballgame? The French and Dutch wrote quite impressive books on lucid dreams in the 19th century, but before Jouvet, Hearne, LaBerge, Dement, etc. that was out the domain of science (for bad reasons). Dreams constitutes the royal path to metaphysics and doubt. The indian yoga vasistha, like the whole platonism (in my opinion) is based on that idea. It is easy to become lucid in one dream, but it can be hard, if not impossible, to *remain* lucid in the many dreams. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
