I was, and am, opposed to enhanced interrogation, as it was termed. I was using this extreme example to get us to connect with our emotions as we as our intellect. You seem to have identified BHO accurately, which is an entire other topic. Realistically speaking, I have no influence over human events, no matter how strongly, I express opinion. But civility does come at a price, and this price may deliver increased internal vulnerability from people who do not share Liz's peaceable values.
I can understand the use of torture and the dismiss of human right in urgent situation is a conflict. That is why I did not have problem with Bush at the start. But even in the serie 24 the hero (Jack Bauer) is condemned for those acts (despite he saves many lives from those acts). Obama criticized Bush for having done those thing illegaly, and made them legal! That is anti-constitiutional, anti-democratical. It does not make sense. Obama countersigned it and promised not applying the bill, but then what? Be sure to vote only to a candidate which promises as first act when elected to add the precision needed in that act. You cannot use terror against terror. You cannot lose your civilization-nes in the process of defending yourself from the barbarian, without becoming barbarian. If we tolerate by law that the human right does not apply to some humans, all humans lose the human rights. It makes us weak, at first sight. But quite strongest for the long run. Violence is never a good argument, especially against violence. It can be a good strategy in exceptional self-defense situation. That one can be cured by ... piece treatises. The one by Obama can't, as it installs war at home perpetually. Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! On 11 Jun 2014, at 13:45, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: I don't know. To me, a huge fatality count for you homeland, might suggest a huge response. What if your murderers take your civilized response for weakness and prepare another attack? This would be my concern. I can understand the use of torture and the dismiss of human right in urgent situation is a conflict. That is why I did not have problem with Bush at the start. But even in the serie 24 the hero (Jack Bauer) is condemned for those acts (despite he saves many lives from those acts). Obama criticized Bush for having done those thing illegaly, and made them legal! That is anti-constitiutional, anti-democratical. It does not make sense. Obama countersigned it and promised not applying the bill, but then what? Be sure to vote only to a candidate which promises as first act when elected to add the precision needed in that act. You cannot use terror against terror. You cannot lose your civilization-nes in the process of defending yourself from the barbarian, without becoming barbarian. If we tolerate by law that the human right does not apply to some humans, all humans lose the human rights. It makes us weak, at first sight. But quite strongest for the long run. Violence is never a good argument, especially against violence. It can be a good strategy in exceptional self-defense situation. That one can be cured by ... piece treatises. The one by Obama can't, as it installs war at home perpetually. Bruno Of course not. I probably wouldn't either. This is why we have the rule of law, due process, etc. -----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 10, 2014 7:51 pm Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! On 11 June 2014 11:26, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: Oh, but its not a NZ product, this is smuggled in from outsize NZ and masked so that no radiation is detected by your security services. Let us say a huge amount of people are slain, I mean really, huge. Could one respond with such dignity and rationality as you yourself possess? I know you would, but your fellow Kiwis? Everyone in NZ would because of your country's size and structure of population will have, the way I envision this attack, will know somebody who died from the attack. You've been non-nuclear since Reagan and Thatcher, but when the violence gets personal, I wonder if your fellow Kiwis will react as logically as you? Of course not. I probably wouldn't either. 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