On 19 Jun 2014, at 20:25, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
>>> That machine does not know in advance its future state, and
that is what I meant.
>> So a Turing Machine has free will.
> Not all turing machine, you need one which can guess that she does
not know.
There is nothing stopping Mrs Turing Machine from guessing if she
will ever find the solution to the problem she's working on, but
we've known for 85 years that there is no way for her to
consistently guess correctly. And incidentally Human Beings are not
one bit better at doing that than Mrs Turing Machine is, so either
both of us have "free will" or neither of us do.
> you will beat the record of people not understanding step 3.
That's because there is nothing in step 3 to understand.
> You have confuse the 1-view and the 3-view
As I say you really need to get a rubber stamp made of that.
>>The trouble with compatibilism is that it's entire purpose was to
solve the free will problem but it never clearly explained what the
free will problem was.
> There are many, according to your theology
I took my own advice, I had a rubber stamp made of the following:
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never
heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
> and to your definition of free-will.
There are only 2 definitions of "free will" that are not gibberish:
1) "Free Will" is a noise made by the mouth.
2) "Free Will" is the inability to always know what you will do next
even in a stable predictable environment
> You can read the literature.
There is no literature on theology or on Free Will, coloring books
maybe but no literature.
>> Oh yes I remember, according to your logic atheism is a branch of
Christianity and thus John K Clark is a Christian.
> Yes.
So it wasn't just my imagination, you really said it!
>atheism is a variant of Christianity.
Like a recurring nightmare you said it yet again! So according to
you not believing in God is a variant of Christianity, and obviously
believing in God is another variant of Christianity, therefore every
human being who ever lived is a Christian except for those who don't
believe in God AND don't don't believe in God. From this I conclude
that one of the following statements must be true:
1) If ET exists then he's a Christian too.
2) Bruno Marchal is not a logician.
Please focus on the logical point, and avoid ad hominem things.
Bruno
John K Clark
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