On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:25 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> >>> That machine does not know in advance its future state, and that is >>> what I meant. >>> >> >> >> So a Turing Machine has free will. >> >> > Not all turing machine, you need one which can guess that she does not >> know. >> > > There is nothing stopping Mrs Turing Machine from guessing if she will > ever find the solution to the problem she's working on, but we've known for > 85 years that there is no way for her to consistently guess correctly. And > incidentally Human Beings are not one bit better at doing that than Mrs > Turing Machine is, so either both of us have "free will" or neither of us > do. > > > you will beat the record of people not understanding step 3. >> > > That's because there is nothing in step 3 to understand. > > > You have confuse the 1-view and the 3-view >> > > As I say you really need to get a rubber stamp made of that. > > >>The trouble with compatibilism is that it's entire purpose was to solve >>> the free will problem but it never clearly explained what the free will >>> problem was. >>> >> >> > There are many, according to your theology >> > > I took my own advice, I had a rubber stamp made of the following: Wow, > calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one > before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. > > > and to your definition of free-will. >> > > There are only 2 definitions of "free will" that are not gibberish: > > 1) "Free Will" is a noise made by the mouth. > 2) "Free Will" is the inability to always know what you will do next even > in a stable predictable environment > > > You can read the literature. >> > > There is no literature on theology or on Free Will, coloring books maybe > but no literature. > > >> Oh yes I remember, according to your logic atheism is a branch of >>> Christianity and thus John K Clark is a Christian. >>> >> >> > Yes. >> > > So it wasn't just my imagination, you really said it! > > >atheism is a variant of Christianity. >> > > Like a recurring nightmare you said it yet again! So according to you not > believing in God is a variant of Christianity, and obviously believing in > God is another variant of Christianity, therefore every human being who > ever lived is a Christian except for those who don't believe in God AND > don't don't believe in God. From this I conclude that one of the following > statements must be true: > > 1) If ET exists then he's a Christian too. > 2) Bruno Marchal is not a logician. > > Your repeated attempts to frame what you extend into the absurd as "Bruno's personal nonsense" is not even a geographical cultural thing; even US scientists, as I've posted this before, find the definition perfectly reasonable (to lay to rest that this is some fancy Euro-Theology thing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos But that cartoon you keep posting again and again: the guy at the end is a white humanist with Christian roots, still keeping with their prohibitions in law and justice system, although he sees himself as emancipated from their cause. Puhleez...PGC > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
