On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:25 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> That machine does not know in advance its future state, and that is >>> what I meant. >>> >> >> >> So a Turing Machine has free will. >> >> > Not all turing machine, you need one which can guess that she does not >> know. >> > > There is nothing stopping Mrs Turing Machine from guessing if she will > ever find the solution to the problem she's working on, but we've known for > 85 years that there is no way for her to consistently guess correctly. And > incidentally Human Beings are not one bit better at doing that than Mrs > Turing Machine is, so either both of us have "free will" or neither of us > do. > > > you will beat the record of people not understanding step 3. >> > > That's because there is nothing in step 3 to understand. > > > You have confuse the 1-view and the 3-view >> > > As I say you really need to get a rubber stamp made of that. > > >>The trouble with compatibilism is that it's entire purpose was to solve >>> the free will problem but it never clearly explained what the free will >>> problem was. >>> >> >> > There are many, according to your theology >> > > I took my own advice, I had a rubber stamp made of the following: Wow, > calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one > before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. > > > and to your definition of free-will. >> > > There are only 2 definitions of "free will" that are not gibberish: > > 1) "Free Will" is a noise made by the mouth. > 2) "Free Will" is the inability to always know what you will do next even > in a stable predictable environment > > > You can read the literature. >> > > There is no literature on theology or on Free Will, coloring books maybe > but no literature. > > >> Oh yes I remember, according to your logic atheism is a branch of >>> Christianity and thus John K Clark is a Christian. >>> >> >> > Yes. >> > > So it wasn't just my imagination, you really said it! > > >atheism is a variant of Christianity. >> > > Like a recurring nightmare you said it yet again! So according to you not > believing in God is a variant of Christianity, and obviously believing in > God is another variant of Christianity, therefore every human being who > ever lived is a Christian except for those who don't believe in God AND > don't don't believe in God. From this I conclude that one of the following > statements must be true: > > 1) If ET exists then he's a Christian too. > 2) Bruno Marchal is not a logician. > > Your repeated attempts to frame what you extend into the absurd as "Bruno's personal nonsense" is not even a geographical cultural thing; even US scientists, as I've posted this before, find the definition perfectly reasonable (to lay to rest that this is some fancy Euro-Theology thing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos But that cartoon you keep posting again and again: the guy at the end is a white humanist with Christian roots, still keeping with their prohibitions in law and justice system, although he sees himself as emancipated from their cause. Puhleez...PGC > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
