Brent, far be it from me to defend the RC, but its also a matter of how far 
back you wish to go in history, or even care to look? Look at Syria, look at 
Nigeria, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan. You know what's going on there and 
you know why. It's not animists, or Zen Buddhists, who are doing the nasty 
today. Maybe they will change in 25 years and maybe things will get worse ithis 
area. As for birth control, yes we need more. If you look to the 20th century, 
you will note that the 70 million dead from the biggest Atheists on the planet, 
so much so that they had put in on their party doctrine, back in the 19th 
century. Yeah, not all Atheists are Marxists, but almost all Marxists are 
atheists, and they were easy, on the Sovs, the Chinese, North Kor, and 
Kampuchea, during their "class purging." Not a bad case of 'catch up' to the 
RC, I'd say! And why zing the RC when the fire burns all over the world from 
another source?

Well there are those who murder abortion doctors. But "lucrative    criminal 
acts" includes a lot more than murderous martydom.  The    Catholic Church has 
probably condemned more children to starvation    by outlawing contraception 
than the Islamist ever will.
    
    Brent
    

 
 
 
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On 6/25/2014 4:34 AM, spudboy100 via      Everything List wrote:
    
    
Brent, Jesus        people don't become murdering martyr's anymore, 
    
    Well there are those who murder abortion doctors. But "lucrative    
criminal acts" includes a lot more than murderous martydom.  The    Catholic 
Church has probably condemned more children to starvation    by outlawing 
contraception than the Islamist ever will.
    
    Brent
    
    
so let's        focus where the problem is. Look at Nigeria, Sudan, Syria,a and 
       Iraq, and draw together the facts. If it was Buddhists setting        
off bombs in subways' one could concede your point. Also, I am        not a 
Jesus person, and don't hate em. If ya want to beat up JC        why not this 
quote, "I come not to bring peace but with a        sword." And the Christians 
surely did, right into the 20th        century, but no longer.
        
          
This is              naive.  Bandits do lucrative criminal acts to get money    
          which can purchase goods, luxury, women, power.  So why do            
  suppose that no one uses religion to get goods, luxury,              women, 
power,..?  You just want to excuse religion and              blame it all on 
some "criminal acts".  What is a crime is              often defined by 
religion and it often includes              questioning the priesthood and the 
official dogma.  So            the problem is not just "radical Islam"; it is 
any Islam,            and any religion, which has a dogma and requires belief 
in            that dogma to avoid sanctions and punishment in this life or      
      a putative afterlife...that is to say 90% of all religions.
            
            Brent
            "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign        
    over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
               --- Jesus, Luke 19:27 
        
        
        
        
        
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          Sent: Tue, Jun 24, 2014 9:57 pm
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On 6/23/2014 7:47 AM, Bruno                Marchal wrote:
              
              
There is a problem with radical                islamism, but the real problem 
is in the exploitation of                that problem by bandits to hide their 
lucrative criminal                activities.
              
              This is                naive.  Bandits do lucrative criminal acts 
to get money                which can purchase goods, luxury, women, power.  So 
why                do suppose that no one uses religion to get goods,           
     luxury, women, power,..?  You just want to excuse                religion 
and blame it all on some "criminal acts".  What                is a crime is 
often defined by religion and it often                includes questioning the 
priesthood and the official                dogma.  So the problem is not just 
"radical              Islam"; it is any Islam, and any religion, which has a    
          dogma and requires belief in that dogma to avoid sanctions            
  and punishment in this life or a putative afterlife...that              is to 
say 90% of all religions.
              
              Brent
              "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should            
  reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
                 --- Jesus, Luke 19:27 
            
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