On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/25/2014 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What is a crime is often defined by religion
That makes sense in "primitive society", but religion might have
nothing to say on the terrestrial plane. You confuse religion, and
the institutionalization of religion.
and it often includes questioning the priesthood and the official
dogma.
That is the way of bandits. If theology would have remained a
science, we might have just forbid the institutionalization of any
religion.
Don't confuse religion and what the human do with them
On the contrary, it is you who confuse mysticism with religion.
"Religion" IS by definition an institution. You can't have a
religion by yourself. You can have a philosophy and maybe even a
theology by yourself - but not a religion. "Religion" comes from a
latin root meaning "to bind together".
Religion is supposed to bind together people sharing experience. I
agree that religion is mystic at its roots, but as you know I am large
on "mystical". I define it by everything a machine can "produce" as
true, yet with some possibly high degree of non-justifiability.
"Consciousness" can be considered has the zero mystical state, that
is, the first most basic one (which many people take for granted).
Then, institutionalization of a religion can develop more or less
naturally, but indeed will very often be perverted into a "political
power".
That's life.
It makes not religion false, but like a forest it is fragile and can
be burned by lower level, simpler but still potent, entities (like
fire for forest, and lies for the mind).
And some Pope gave me some confidence that Church can progress, and I
have some quite good books on Plotinus written by Christians, etc.
I am, as scientist, agnostic, both on god and matter, Brent. I take
only the bibles, Quran and Alice in Wonderland as evidences that
humans can intuit "something" weird and counter-intuitive. I only take
seriously the theologians, and among them obviously those making sense
to me, and there are many, in many culture. I read all reports of
experience, a bit like I study the self-referentially correct report
of the universal machine looking inward in the sense made utterly
precise by Gödel and followers.
I intuit something in common in all those discourse, which can protect
the soul, or the first person, from "easy reduction".
It is an humbling sort of intuition. It can also give a metaphysical
vertigo. But then Hubble's galaxies too.
Awesomeness is not yet illegal, OK?
Bruno
Brent
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