On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care, is > that if one goes to war, half measures and quarter measures end up quite > badly. If one can achieve peace, justice, and free beer, without doing > violence to one's fellow primates, this is a great thing. Indeed. > But it is not assured, that simply because one tries a peaceable track, > that it will even work. Of course. > So, if one fights, why hold back? Probably because the war was started on false pretences and there was no real threat to being with. > Observe, the results of the US's partial warfare model, and decide for > yourself if it has been a brimming success or not? I wouldn't call it "partial warfare", but instead the initiation of war for its own sake. In real wars, against people your own size, like WWII, no half-measure were took. No one in their right mind desires such a war. If you do, I suspect that participating in one would quickly change your mind. > The nuclear war thing, I likely fret more about then any.other > participant, on this mailing list. The primary reason for this is that > fission, and fusion weapons, are now very old, and the missile tech to > carry the bombs are only a bit younger. If I was a citizen of Europe, I > would be very concerned that the deliberate diminishment of US power, would > invite aggression from places where it would have seemed a laughable, > fiction, only a decade ago. To wit, you folks are now on your own, with the > current US leadership. It may not bother you, even a bit, but I see that > this is a new geopolitical fact. Be well. I am not for the deliberate diminishment of US military power. I have nothing against it if used only as a deterrent. In a world where nuclear weapons are possible, we must have nuclear weapons. My problem (and a common sentiment in Europe) is with the USA initiating unnecessary wars against weak opponents. "Civilisation clash" style wars had their penultimate instalment with WWII. If if happens again, it will probably be for the last time, and everyone is aware of this. The geo-political conditions that you allude to are a thing of the past, that's all I'm saying. Keeping deterrent weapons in good condition and attacking failed nations for the control of cocaine fields are two very different things. Even the dubious nuclear power of North Korea is sufficient to let them get away with total insanity. I'm sure Europe is safe, given the real nuclear power of France, the UK and all the US military bases around. Cheers, Telmo. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: 29-Jun-2014 18:35:58 +0000 > Subject: Re: American Intelligence > > I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think WW2. > Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the > Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth > willing to the max. > > > Nuanced responses became quite popular after WW2 because of the invention > of atomic bombs. Any civilisation that you can clash with will offer you > MAD. Witch is an apt name, because you have to be batshit crazy to desire > war. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
