2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >> Comrades: >> >> Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to >> dress the Mao suit at least? >> >> Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love >> them even more. > > Don't be worried, fascists will be killed and burned (for energy > efficiency maybe) ... so you should not worry about the kind of clothes > you'll be allowed to put on. > Enough said. Behind all your pseudointelectual masturbations, the above paragraph shows your real face >> >> >> >> 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List >> <[email protected]>: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of meekerdb >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:27 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? >> > >> > >> > >> > On 7/12/2014 4:37 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:43 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? >> > >> > >> > >> > I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, do I >> > see >> > fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for >> > commercial >> > power, we just don't seem to be lucky with the physics of the universe. >> > Perhaps new discoveries about stellar formation might finally boost > things >> > along, in 100 years. People are way too afraid of fission, and lets >> > face >> > it, >> > its costs a bitch. Wind and sun are the only thing going forward, that >> > seems >> > with the grasp of the species, if only because theres lots of it out > there >> > to be harvested, and the price is right. What's killing it are 2 >> > things. >> > One >> > is storage tech, for nights, wintertime, summer storms, smog. We need > cheap >> > reliable storage tech, plus we need quick transmission lines to pipe it >> > where needed. The Germans developed some kind of closed cycle wind, >> > sun, >> > and >> > methane (nat gas) for the inclement days. Sounds doable, and likely, >> > affordable. >> > >> > >> > >> > Grid scale storage is one dimension - and this is needed not only for >> > smoothing out intermittency, but also to demand shift away from peak > load >> > periods. The truth is that the grid is stressed to the breaking point >> > by >> > peak summer time load conditions and is ill equipped (as currently > built) >> > to >> > handle surges etc. so that relatively small events can have massive >> > consequences - such as region wide blackouts. >> > >> > Forward sited - in key distribution nodes at large urban centers of > demand >> > -- grid scale flow batteries (using low cost environmentally benign >> > reagents >> > stored in external tanks - they can scale out in capacity by adding >> > more >> > tanks. ) would be my choice. In this manner off peak supply could be >> > forward stored at large distribution nodes to supply a portion of the > local >> > area networks electricity demand without needing to deliver this extra >> > increment of power through high tension lines already sagging from >> > over-heating. >> > >> > Another nice way of time shifting demand is systems that use off peak >> > supply >> > to freeze water balls in tanks of water, doing so in the middle of the >> > night. During the hot afternoon peak load period (and peak need for >> > air-conditioning the stored "cold" is harvested to help meet demand, >> > without >> > incurring any extra load. >> > >> > In addition to storage better micro-scale and both near real time and >> > forward projecting weather forecasting will help manage the balance of >> > supply and demand. >> > >> > >> > When everyone has plug-in electric cars they will sign up to allow >> > their >> > batteries be used as buffer storage. >> > >> > >> > >> > I really like that idea as well. when one does the numbers, in their >> > aggregate, if say 20% of all cars were pure electric (+ a mix of say an >> > additional 10% of plug-in hybrids) that is a lot of very well > distributed >> > (& >> > very survivable) battery storage capacity. It would be fun to help >> > write >> > the >> > software to run such a wide distributed power exchange. or the client >> > software providing management and configuration ability to owners to > manage >> > how their cars interact with the market when plugged in -- naturally >> > closely >> > integrated into the car computer. a process running on it, aware of > current >> > battery capacity, market conditions, expected near term future power > needs. >> > A kind of arbitrage smart agent running on plugged in cars and >> > mediating >> > their interaction (they are the edge nodes) with the larger wide area > power >> > (&information) network. >> > >> > There are also some large scale closed loop pumped storage solutions I >> > like, >> > especially a recent large one in Southern California - the Eagle Crest >> > project (which is now in final stages of approval) - is designed to > align >> > with the CSP, wind and PV electricity production going on there. It >> > consists >> > of - as usual - of a high and a low reservoir that are linked by a >> > reversible turbine/pump. The high reservoir is an abandoned open pit > iron >> > mine and the water is, I recall, somewhat brackish ground water (not >> > suitable for agriculture). The system - when built - would pair very > well >> > with all the intermittent energy sources in the close by regions - > there is >> > quite a bit of wind energy getting harvested down there too. It would > have >> > a >> > 1.3 GW capacity. I seem to remember that something around 10% of >> > Japan's >> > electric capacity is in the form of that nations installed, pumped >> > hydro >> > capacity - smoothing out the daily cycles of peaks and the troughs. >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > >> > Brent >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >
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