No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humor....I know some
famous political psychopaths that would sign that "joke".

But you are not alone. That evil is a product of your ideology, the
same ideology professed by all the planet saviors in this list and
abroad.

Perhaps you are more syncere. Some of your comrades would say that you
are less intelligent in controlling your impulses. But really even if
you said that, you are better person than your comrades, and maybe
more capable to grasp one day the terrible consequences of this evil
planetarian cult.

2014-07-13 10:54 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>:
> Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>
>> 2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>:
>> > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a
> écrit :
>> >>
>> >> Comrades:
>> >>
>> >> Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to
>> >> dress the Mao suit at least?
>> >>
>> >> Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love
>> >> them even more.
>> >
>> > Don't be worried,  fascists will be killed and burned (for energy
>> > efficiency maybe) ... so you should not worry about the kind of clothes
>> > you'll be allowed to put on.
>> >
>> Enough said. Behind all your pseudointelectual masturbations, the
>> above paragraph  shows your real face
>
> Yeah I'm an evil communist that eat children and who solved our energy
> problem by burning humorless fascists like you.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
>> >> <[email protected]>:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: [email protected]
>> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of meekerdb
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:27 PM
>> >> > To: [email protected]
>> >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7/12/2014 4:37 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: [email protected]
>> >> > [mailto:[email protected]]
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:43 PM
>> >> > To: [email protected]
>> >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, do I
>> >> > see
>> >> > fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for
>> >> > commercial
>> >> > power, we just don't seem to be lucky with the physics of the
> universe.
>> >> > Perhaps new discoveries about stellar formation might finally boost
>> > things
>> >> > along, in 100 years. People are way too afraid of fission, and lets
>> >> > face
>> >> > it,
>> >> > its costs a bitch. Wind and sun are the only thing going forward,
> that
>> >> > seems
>> >> > with the grasp of the species, if only because theres lots of it out
>> > there
>> >> > to be harvested, and the price is right. What's killing it are 2
>> >> > things.
>> >> > One
>> >> > is storage tech, for nights, wintertime, summer storms, smog. We
>> >> > need
>> > cheap
>> >> > reliable storage tech, plus we need quick transmission lines to pipe
> it
>> >> > where needed. The Germans developed some kind of closed cycle wind,
>> >> > sun,
>> >> > and
>> >> > methane (nat gas) for the inclement days. Sounds doable, and likely,
>> >> > affordable.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Grid scale storage is one dimension - and this is needed not only
>> >> > for
>> >> > smoothing out intermittency, but also to demand shift away from peak
>> > load
>> >> > periods. The truth is that the grid is stressed to the breaking
>> >> > point
>> >> > by
>> >> > peak summer time load conditions and is ill equipped (as currently
>> > built)
>> >> > to
>> >> > handle surges etc. so that relatively small events can have massive
>> >> > consequences - such as region wide blackouts.
>> >> >
>> >> > Forward sited - in key distribution nodes at large urban centers of
>> > demand
>> >> > -- grid scale flow batteries (using low cost environmentally benign
>> >> > reagents
>> >> > stored in external tanks - they can scale out in capacity by adding
>> >> > more
>> >> > tanks. )  would be my choice. In this manner off peak supply could
>> >> > be
>> >> > forward stored at large distribution nodes to supply a portion of
>> >> > the
>> > local
>> >> > area networks electricity demand without needing to deliver this
> extra
>> >> > increment of power through high tension lines already sagging from
>> >> > over-heating.
>> >> >
>> >> > Another nice way of time shifting demand is systems that use off
>> >> > peak
>> >> > supply
>> >> > to freeze water balls in tanks of water, doing so in the middle of
> the
>> >> > night. During the hot afternoon peak load period (and peak need for
>> >> > air-conditioning the stored "cold" is harvested to help meet demand,
>> >> > without
>> >> > incurring any extra load.
>> >> >
>> >> > In addition to storage better micro-scale and both near real time
>> >> > and
>> >> > forward projecting weather forecasting will help manage the balance
> of
>> >> > supply and demand.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > When everyone has plug-in electric cars they will sign up to allow
>> >> > their
>> >> > batteries be used as buffer storage.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I really like that idea as well. when one does the numbers, in their
>> >> > aggregate, if say 20% of all cars were pure electric (+ a mix of say
> an
>> >> > additional 10% of plug-in hybrids) that is a lot of very well
>> > distributed
>> >> > (&
>> >> > very survivable) battery storage capacity. It would be fun to help
>> >> > write
>> >> > the
>> >> > software to run such a wide distributed power exchange. or the
>> >> > client
>> >> > software providing management and configuration ability to owners to
>> > manage
>> >> > how their cars interact with the market when plugged in -- naturally
>> >> > closely
>> >> > integrated into the car computer. a process running on it, aware of
>> > current
>> >> > battery capacity, market conditions, expected near term future power
>> > needs.
>> >> > A kind of arbitrage smart agent running on plugged in cars and
>> >> > mediating
>> >> > their interaction (they are the edge nodes) with the larger wide
>> >> > area
>> > power
>> >> > (&information) network.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are also some large scale closed loop pumped storage solutions
> I
>> >> > like,
>> >> > especially a recent large one in Southern California - the Eagle
> Crest
>> >> > project (which is now in final stages of approval) - is designed to
>> > align
>> >> > with the CSP, wind and PV electricity production going on there. It
>> >> > consists
>> >> > of - as usual - of a high and a low reservoir that are linked by a
>> >> > reversible turbine/pump. The high reservoir is an abandoned open pit
>> > iron
>> >> > mine and the water is, I recall, somewhat brackish ground water (not
>> >> > suitable for agriculture). The system -  when built - would pair
>> >> > very
>> > well
>> >> > with all the intermittent energy sources in the close by regions -
>> > there is
>> >> > quite a bit of wind energy getting harvested down there too. It
>> >> > would
>> > have
>> >> > a
>> >> > 1.3 GW capacity. I seem to remember that something around 10% of
>> >> > Japan's
>> >> > electric capacity is in the form of that nations installed, pumped
>> >> > hydro
>> >> > capacity - smoothing out the daily cycles of peaks and the troughs.
>> >> >
>> >> > Chris
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Brent
>> >> >
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