Le 13 juil. 2014 14:22, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit : > > I see > > Ladies and gentleman: this is the shape of things to come. Nothing new > under the sun.
To appease your sadness, me and my evil friends will ensure you'll be the first to be our energy savior by doing a good firecamp. > > 2014-07-13 11:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > > Le 13 juil. 2014 11:11, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> > >> No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humor....I know some > >> famous political psychopaths that would sign that "joke". > > > > You're a joke. Don't like being called what you are? > > > >> > >> But you are not alone. That evil is a product of your ideology, the > >> same ideology professed by all the planet saviors in this list and > >> abroad. > >> > >> Perhaps you are more syncere. Some of your comrades would say that you > >> are less intelligent in controlling your impulses. But really even if > >> you said that, you are better person than your comrades, and maybe > >> more capable to grasp one day the terrible consequences of this evil > >> planetarian cult. > >> > >> 2014-07-13 10:54 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > >> > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a > > écrit : > >> >> > >> >> 2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > >> >> > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a > >> > écrit : > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Comrades: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to > >> >> >> dress the Mao suit at least? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love > >> >> >> them even more. > >> >> > > >> >> > Don't be worried, fascists will be killed and burned (for energy > >> >> > efficiency maybe) ... so you should not worry about the kind of > > clothes > >> >> > you'll be allowed to put on. > >> >> > > >> >> Enough said. Behind all your pseudointelectual masturbations, the > >> >> above paragraph shows your real face > >> > > >> > Yeah I'm an evil communist that eat children and who solved our energy > >> > problem by burning humorless fascists like you. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > >> >> >> <[email protected]>: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > From: [email protected] > >> >> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of meekerdb > >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:27 PM > >> >> >> > To: [email protected] > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On 7/12/2014 4:37 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > From: [email protected] > >> >> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:43 PM > >> >> >> > To: [email protected] > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, > > do I > >> >> >> > see > >> >> >> > fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for > >> >> >> > commercial > >> >> >> > power, we just don't seem to be lucky with the physics of the > >> > universe. > >> >> >> > Perhaps new discoveries about stellar formation might finally > > boost > >> >> > things > >> >> >> > along, in 100 years. People are way too afraid of fission, and > > lets > >> >> >> > face > >> >> >> > it, > >> >> >> > its costs a bitch. Wind and sun are the only thing going forward, > >> > that > >> >> >> > seems > >> >> >> > with the grasp of the species, if only because theres lots of it > > out > >> >> > there > >> >> >> > to be harvested, and the price is right. What's killing it are 2 > >> >> >> > things. > >> >> >> > One > >> >> >> > is storage tech, for nights, wintertime, summer storms, smog. We > >> >> >> > need > >> >> > cheap > >> >> >> > reliable storage tech, plus we need quick transmission lines to > > pipe > >> > it > >> >> >> > where needed. The Germans developed some kind of closed cycle > > wind, > >> >> >> > sun, > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > methane (nat gas) for the inclement days. Sounds doable, and > > likely, > >> >> >> > affordable. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Grid scale storage is one dimension - and this is needed not only > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > smoothing out intermittency, but also to demand shift away from > > peak > >> >> > load > >> >> >> > periods. The truth is that the grid is stressed to the breaking > >> >> >> > point > >> >> >> > by > >> >> >> > peak summer time load conditions and is ill equipped (as > >> >> >> > currently > >> >> > built) > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > handle surges etc. so that relatively small events can have > > massive > >> >> >> > consequences - such as region wide blackouts. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Forward sited - in key distribution nodes at large urban centers > > of > >> >> > demand > >> >> >> > -- grid scale flow batteries (using low cost environmentally > > benign > >> >> >> > reagents > >> >> >> > stored in external tanks - they can scale out in capacity by > > adding > >> >> >> > more > >> >> >> > tanks. ) would be my choice. In this manner off peak supply > >> >> >> > could > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > forward stored at large distribution nodes to supply a portion of > >> >> >> > the > >> >> > local > >> >> >> > area networks electricity demand without needing to deliver this > >> > extra > >> >> >> > increment of power through high tension lines already sagging > >> >> >> > from > >> >> >> > over-heating. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Another nice way of time shifting demand is systems that use off > >> >> >> > peak > >> >> >> > supply > >> >> >> > to freeze water balls in tanks of water, doing so in the middle > >> >> >> > of > >> > the > >> >> >> > night. During the hot afternoon peak load period (and peak need > > for > >> >> >> > air-conditioning the stored "cold" is harvested to help meet > > demand, > >> >> >> > without > >> >> >> > incurring any extra load. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > In addition to storage better micro-scale and both near real time > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > forward projecting weather forecasting will help manage the > > balance > >> > of > >> >> >> > supply and demand. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > When everyone has plug-in electric cars they will sign up to > >> >> >> > allow > >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> > batteries be used as buffer storage. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I really like that idea as well. when one does the numbers, in > > their > >> >> >> > aggregate, if say 20% of all cars were pure electric (+ a mix of > > say > >> > an > >> >> >> > additional 10% of plug-in hybrids) that is a lot of very well > >> >> > distributed > >> >> >> > (& > >> >> >> > very survivable) battery storage capacity. It would be fun to > >> >> >> > help > >> >> >> > write > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > software to run such a wide distributed power exchange. or the > >> >> >> > client > >> >> >> > software providing management and configuration ability to owners > > to > >> >> > manage > >> >> >> > how their cars interact with the market when plugged in -- > > naturally > >> >> >> > closely > >> >> >> > integrated into the car computer. a process running on it, aware > > of > >> >> > current > >> >> >> > battery capacity, market conditions, expected near term future > > power > >> >> > needs. > >> >> >> > A kind of arbitrage smart agent running on plugged in cars and > >> >> >> > mediating > >> >> >> > their interaction (they are the edge nodes) with the larger wide > >> >> >> > area > >> >> > power > >> >> >> > (&information) network. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > There are also some large scale closed loop pumped storage > > solutions > >> > I > >> >> >> > like, > >> >> >> > especially a recent large one in Southern California - the Eagle > >> > Crest > >> >> >> > project (which is now in final stages of approval) - is designed > > to > >> >> > align > >> >> >> > with the CSP, wind and PV electricity production going on there. > > It > >> >> >> > consists > >> >> >> > of - as usual - of a high and a low reservoir that are linked by > >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> > reversible turbine/pump. The high reservoir is an abandoned open > > pit > >> >> > iron > >> >> >> > mine and the water is, I recall, somewhat brackish ground water > > (not > >> >> >> > suitable for agriculture). The system - when built - would pair > >> >> >> > very > >> >> > well > >> >> >> > with all the intermittent energy sources in the close by regions > >> >> >> > - > >> >> > there is > >> >> >> > quite a bit of wind energy getting harvested down there too. It > >> >> >> > would > >> >> > have > >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> > 1.3 GW capacity. I seem to remember that something around 10% of > >> >> >> > Japan's > >> >> >> > electric capacity is in the form of that nations installed, > >> >> >> > pumped > >> >> >> > hydro > >> >> >> > capacity - smoothing out the daily cycles of peaks and the > > troughs. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Chris > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Brent > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > >> >> >> > Google > >> >> > Groups > >> >> >> > "Everything List" group. > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >> > send > >> >> > an > >> >> >> > email to [email protected]. > >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> >> >> > [email protected] > >> > . > >> >> >> > Visit this group at > >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > > . > >> >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > You received this 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