Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit : > > 2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> > >> Comrades: > >> > >> Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to > >> dress the Mao suit at least? > >> > >> Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love > >> them even more. > > > > Don't be worried, fascists will be killed and burned (for energy > > efficiency maybe) ... so you should not worry about the kind of clothes > > you'll be allowed to put on. > > > Enough said. Behind all your pseudointelectual masturbations, the > above paragraph shows your real face
Yeah I'm an evil communist that eat children and who solved our energy problem by burning humorless fascists like you. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > >> <[email protected]>: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of meekerdb > >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:27 PM > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 7/12/2014 4:37 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:43 PM > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, do I > >> > see > >> > fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for > >> > commercial > >> > power, we just don't seem to be lucky with the physics of the universe. > >> > Perhaps new discoveries about stellar formation might finally boost > > things > >> > along, in 100 years. People are way too afraid of fission, and lets > >> > face > >> > it, > >> > its costs a bitch. Wind and sun are the only thing going forward, that > >> > seems > >> > with the grasp of the species, if only because theres lots of it out > > there > >> > to be harvested, and the price is right. What's killing it are 2 > >> > things. > >> > One > >> > is storage tech, for nights, wintertime, summer storms, smog. We need > > cheap > >> > reliable storage tech, plus we need quick transmission lines to pipe it > >> > where needed. The Germans developed some kind of closed cycle wind, > >> > sun, > >> > and > >> > methane (nat gas) for the inclement days. Sounds doable, and likely, > >> > affordable. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Grid scale storage is one dimension - and this is needed not only for > >> > smoothing out intermittency, but also to demand shift away from peak > > load > >> > periods. The truth is that the grid is stressed to the breaking point > >> > by > >> > peak summer time load conditions and is ill equipped (as currently > > built) > >> > to > >> > handle surges etc. so that relatively small events can have massive > >> > consequences - such as region wide blackouts. > >> > > >> > Forward sited - in key distribution nodes at large urban centers of > > demand > >> > -- grid scale flow batteries (using low cost environmentally benign > >> > reagents > >> > stored in external tanks - they can scale out in capacity by adding > >> > more > >> > tanks. ) would be my choice. In this manner off peak supply could be > >> > forward stored at large distribution nodes to supply a portion of the > > local > >> > area networks electricity demand without needing to deliver this extra > >> > increment of power through high tension lines already sagging from > >> > over-heating. > >> > > >> > Another nice way of time shifting demand is systems that use off peak > >> > supply > >> > to freeze water balls in tanks of water, doing so in the middle of the > >> > night. During the hot afternoon peak load period (and peak need for > >> > air-conditioning the stored "cold" is harvested to help meet demand, > >> > without > >> > incurring any extra load. > >> > > >> > In addition to storage better micro-scale and both near real time and > >> > forward projecting weather forecasting will help manage the balance of > >> > supply and demand. > >> > > >> > > >> > When everyone has plug-in electric cars they will sign up to allow > >> > their > >> > batteries be used as buffer storage. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I really like that idea as well. when one does the numbers, in their > >> > aggregate, if say 20% of all cars were pure electric (+ a mix of say an > >> > additional 10% of plug-in hybrids) that is a lot of very well > > distributed > >> > (& > >> > very survivable) battery storage capacity. It would be fun to help > >> > write > >> > the > >> > software to run such a wide distributed power exchange. or the client > >> > software providing management and configuration ability to owners to > > manage > >> > how their cars interact with the market when plugged in -- naturally > >> > closely > >> > integrated into the car computer. a process running on it, aware of > > current > >> > battery capacity, market conditions, expected near term future power > > needs. > >> > A kind of arbitrage smart agent running on plugged in cars and > >> > mediating > >> > their interaction (they are the edge nodes) with the larger wide area > > power > >> > (&information) network. > >> > > >> > There are also some large scale closed loop pumped storage solutions I > >> > like, > >> > especially a recent large one in Southern California - the Eagle Crest > >> > project (which is now in final stages of approval) - is designed to > > align > >> > with the CSP, wind and PV electricity production going on there. It > >> > consists > >> > of - as usual - of a high and a low reservoir that are linked by a > >> > reversible turbine/pump. The high reservoir is an abandoned open pit > > iron > >> > mine and the water is, I recall, somewhat brackish ground water (not > >> > suitable for agriculture). The system - when built - would pair very > > well > >> > with all the intermittent energy sources in the close by regions - > > there is > >> > quite a bit of wind energy getting harvested down there too. It would > > have > >> > a > >> > 1.3 GW capacity. I seem to remember that something around 10% of > >> > Japan's > >> > electric capacity is in the form of that nations installed, pumped > >> > hydro > >> > capacity - smoothing out the daily cycles of peaks and the troughs. > >> > > >> > Chris > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Brent > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > >> > "Everything List" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > an > >> > email to [email protected]. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . > >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > >> > "Everything List" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > an > >> > email to [email protected]. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . > >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Alberto. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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