I see Ladies and gentleman: this is the shape of things to come. Nothing new under the sun.
2014-07-13 11:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > Le 13 juil. 2014 11:11, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >> No doubt you have evil inside. And your sense of humor....I know some >> famous political psychopaths that would sign that "joke". > > You're a joke. Don't like being called what you are? > >> >> But you are not alone. That evil is a product of your ideology, the >> same ideology professed by all the planet saviors in this list and >> abroad. >> >> Perhaps you are more syncere. Some of your comrades would say that you >> are less intelligent in controlling your impulses. But really even if >> you said that, you are better person than your comrades, and maybe >> more capable to grasp one day the terrible consequences of this evil >> planetarian cult. >> >> 2014-07-13 10:54 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: >> > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a > écrit : >> >> >> >> 2014-07-13 10:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: >> >> > Le 13 juil. 2014 10:21, "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]> a >> > écrit : >> >> >> >> >> >> Comrades: >> >> >> >> >> >> Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to >> >> >> dress the Mao suit at least? >> >> >> >> >> >> Just to know better what our Lords though for us, in order to love >> >> >> them even more. >> >> > >> >> > Don't be worried, fascists will be killed and burned (for energy >> >> > efficiency maybe) ... so you should not worry about the kind of > clothes >> >> > you'll be allowed to put on. >> >> > >> >> Enough said. Behind all your pseudointelectual masturbations, the >> >> above paragraph shows your real face >> > >> > Yeah I'm an evil communist that eat children and who solved our energy >> > problem by burning humorless fascists like you. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-07-13 5:52 GMT+02:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List >> >> >> <[email protected]>: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From: [email protected] >> >> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of meekerdb >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:27 PM >> >> >> > To: [email protected] >> >> >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 7/12/2014 4:37 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From: [email protected] >> >> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:43 PM >> >> >> > To: [email protected] >> >> >> > Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, > do I >> >> >> > see >> >> >> > fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for >> >> >> > commercial >> >> >> > power, we just don't seem to be lucky with the physics of the >> > universe. >> >> >> > Perhaps new discoveries about stellar formation might finally > boost >> >> > things >> >> >> > along, in 100 years. People are way too afraid of fission, and > lets >> >> >> > face >> >> >> > it, >> >> >> > its costs a bitch. Wind and sun are the only thing going forward, >> > that >> >> >> > seems >> >> >> > with the grasp of the species, if only because theres lots of it > out >> >> > there >> >> >> > to be harvested, and the price is right. What's killing it are 2 >> >> >> > things. >> >> >> > One >> >> >> > is storage tech, for nights, wintertime, summer storms, smog. We >> >> >> > need >> >> > cheap >> >> >> > reliable storage tech, plus we need quick transmission lines to > pipe >> > it >> >> >> > where needed. The Germans developed some kind of closed cycle > wind, >> >> >> > sun, >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > methane (nat gas) for the inclement days. Sounds doable, and > likely, >> >> >> > affordable. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Grid scale storage is one dimension - and this is needed not only >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > smoothing out intermittency, but also to demand shift away from > peak >> >> > load >> >> >> > periods. The truth is that the grid is stressed to the breaking >> >> >> > point >> >> >> > by >> >> >> > peak summer time load conditions and is ill equipped (as >> >> >> > currently >> >> > built) >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > handle surges etc. so that relatively small events can have > massive >> >> >> > consequences - such as region wide blackouts. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Forward sited - in key distribution nodes at large urban centers > of >> >> > demand >> >> >> > -- grid scale flow batteries (using low cost environmentally > benign >> >> >> > reagents >> >> >> > stored in external tanks - they can scale out in capacity by > adding >> >> >> > more >> >> >> > tanks. ) would be my choice. In this manner off peak supply >> >> >> > could >> >> >> > be >> >> >> > forward stored at large distribution nodes to supply a portion of >> >> >> > the >> >> > local >> >> >> > area networks electricity demand without needing to deliver this >> > extra >> >> >> > increment of power through high tension lines already sagging >> >> >> > from >> >> >> > over-heating. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Another nice way of time shifting demand is systems that use off >> >> >> > peak >> >> >> > supply >> >> >> > to freeze water balls in tanks of water, doing so in the middle >> >> >> > of >> > the >> >> >> > night. During the hot afternoon peak load period (and peak need > for >> >> >> > air-conditioning the stored "cold" is harvested to help meet > demand, >> >> >> > without >> >> >> > incurring any extra load. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > In addition to storage better micro-scale and both near real time >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > forward projecting weather forecasting will help manage the > balance >> > of >> >> >> > supply and demand. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > When everyone has plug-in electric cars they will sign up to >> >> >> > allow >> >> >> > their >> >> >> > batteries be used as buffer storage. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I really like that idea as well. when one does the numbers, in > their >> >> >> > aggregate, if say 20% of all cars were pure electric (+ a mix of > say >> > an >> >> >> > additional 10% of plug-in hybrids) that is a lot of very well >> >> > distributed >> >> >> > (& >> >> >> > very survivable) battery storage capacity. It would be fun to >> >> >> > help >> >> >> > write >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > software to run such a wide distributed power exchange. or the >> >> >> > client >> >> >> > software providing management and configuration ability to owners > to >> >> > manage >> >> >> > how their cars interact with the market when plugged in -- > naturally >> >> >> > closely >> >> >> > integrated into the car computer. a process running on it, aware > of >> >> > current >> >> >> > battery capacity, market conditions, expected near term future > power >> >> > needs. >> >> >> > A kind of arbitrage smart agent running on plugged in cars and >> >> >> > mediating >> >> >> > their interaction (they are the edge nodes) with the larger wide >> >> >> > area >> >> > power >> >> >> > (&information) network. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There are also some large scale closed loop pumped storage > solutions >> > I >> >> >> > like, >> >> >> > especially a recent large one in Southern California - the Eagle >> > Crest >> >> >> > project (which is now in final stages of approval) - is designed > to >> >> > align >> >> >> > with the CSP, wind and PV electricity production going on there. > It >> >> >> > consists >> >> >> > of - as usual - of a high and a low reservoir that are linked by >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > reversible turbine/pump. The high reservoir is an abandoned open > pit >> >> > iron >> >> >> > mine and the water is, I recall, somewhat brackish ground water > (not >> >> >> > suitable for agriculture). The system - when built - would pair >> >> >> > very >> >> > well >> >> >> > with all the intermittent energy sources in the close by regions >> >> >> > - >> >> > there is >> >> >> > quite a bit of wind energy getting harvested down there too. It >> >> >> > would >> >> > have >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > 1.3 GW capacity. I seem to remember that something around 10% of >> >> >> > Japan's >> >> >> > electric capacity is in the form of that nations installed, >> >> >> > pumped >> >> >> > hydro >> >> >> > capacity - smoothing out the daily cycles of peaks and the > troughs. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Chris >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Brent >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> >> >> > Google >> >> > Groups >> >> >> > "Everything List" group. >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> > send >> >> > an >> >> >> > email to [email protected]. >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> >> >> > [email protected] >> > . >> >> >> > Visit this group at >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > . >> >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> >> >> > Google >> >> > Groups >> >> >> > "Everything List" group. >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> > send >> >> > an >> >> >> > email to [email protected]. >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> >> >> > [email protected] >> > . >> >> >> > Visit this group at >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > . >> >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Alberto. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> >> > "Everything List" group. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send >> > an >> >> > email to [email protected]. >> >> >> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. >> >> >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> >> > "Everything List" group. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send >> > an >> >> > email to [email protected]. >> >> > To post to this group, send email to >> >> > [email protected] > . >> >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Alberto. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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