On 14 Jul 2014, at 08:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
I'd like to.
So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic
departments that have no subject.
This would also include political science, arts, gender studies,
french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what
doesn't build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a
podcast? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all.
Right?
I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature.
I've run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.
I have never seen a number, either, nor Arithmetical Truth (Comp's
notion of the outer god, or Plotinus' one). Nor did I ever seen a
physical universe. I can see objects here and there, but not *a*
physical universe. But I might conceive one, perhaps.
Besides, for a platonist "seeing" is not a proof of existence, only a
proof of a personal hallucination, which might, or not, have a
relation with some possible reality. I can see pink elephant
sometimes :)
God, for a platonist, is only a nickname for a transcendental concept
capable of justifying and unifying everything, a bit like the class of
all sets in set theory. You don't need to see that to conceive it
might make sense, and that many question in theology are just open
problems.
Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God
"hallucination", there are technic for that (fasting, sleep
deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near death experiences,
etc.). To hallucinate the outer God is rather rare, but to get the
feeling of awakening of the Inner God is quite common through such
technics. Again, I insist, such hallucinations are neither proof, nor
evidence, but can be a sufficiently overwhelming experience as making
an atheist doubting (that is: becoming scientific on that question).
You will see many reports relating this on Erowid, for example.
Bruno
Brent
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