> On 14-Jul-2014, at 12:00 pm, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
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> 2014-07-14 17:50 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <[email protected]>:
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>>> On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:25 am, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>:
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>>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>>>> 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <[email protected]>:
>>>>>> Why do you need to see God to believe in God?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should you
>>>>> believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger ?
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>>>>
>>>> Seeing might make you know *that* you see, but it does not entail that you
>>>> know *what* you see, as you might be dreaming or hallucinating.
>>>
>>> That wasn't what I was implying... I see not point to "believe" or not
>>> "believe"... Why *shoud* I believe anyway ?
>> because, if there is more than just this terrestrial life, your eternity
>> might depend upon your belief, motives and consequent actions
>
> Why should it depend if I believe or not ??
That would depend who is making the rules and what the rules are. If it is for
us humans to make rules, given our limited knowledge, desires, hopes and
wishes, we would probably do away with the need to believe. If the rules are
made by a superior intelligence who knows human potential: past, present and
future, then we really do not have a choice in the matter. Since we can flavour
a mixed bag of good and bad, happy and sad, fulfilment and deprivation,
intelligence and ignorance, great wealth and comfort in contrast with abject
poverty and misery, and so on, what makes us so comfortable that this cannot be
repeated, and that also in greater degree, indefinitely, perpetually? Don't you
think it is being very bold and perilous to oneself to be agnostic or atheist
on such a thing?
Samiya
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>> Samiya
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>>>> In general you believe something, not because you see it, but because it
>>>> fits well with your background knowledge. I can't see the set {0, 1, 2,
>>>> ...}, nor really define it, yet I hardly doubt that it makes sense, as it
>>>> explains a lot of other things in which I already tend to believe (like
>>>> the non existence of a bigger prime, or the existence of universal
>>>> numbers, the real numbers, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
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>>>>> Quentin
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>>>>>>> On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
>>>>>>>> I'd like to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic
>>>>>>>> departments that have no subject.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This would also include political science, arts, gender studies,
>>>>>>>> french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what
>>>>>>>> doesn't build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a
>>>>>>>> podcast? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all.
>>>>>>>> Right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature.
>>>>>>> I've run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brent
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