On 15 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>:
On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>:
On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <[email protected]>:
Why do you need to see God to believe in God?
Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should
you believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger ?
Seeing might make you know *that* you see, but it does not entail
that you know *what* you see, as you might be dreaming or
hallucinating.
That wasn't what I was implying... I see not point to "believe" or
not "believe"... Why *shoud* I believe anyway ?
Just to clear things up, I use the common part of all "analytical
definition of belief theory and knowledge theory", and in particular
(knowing p) -> (believing p).
If you know that there is milk in the fridge, you believe that there
is milk in the fridge.
The key difference is that the reciprocal is false. If you believe
there is milk in the fridge , you can still "not know it".
Well I can accept such language in mathematics where you make clear
what is meant, not in every day use.... when someone says he
*believes* in god,
I use "believe" in the same mundane sense that "I believe that there
is orange juice in the fridge, and later like in I believe in the
axiom of elementary arithmetic and in its first order logical
consequence, or in "I don't believe the machine k will stop on the
input j.
that's not what he meant... That's what I don't like in your
approach to insist using everyday word in everyday language *but*
with your own mathematical meaning. It's misleading you should see it.
I use "belief" in the doxastic sense of the analytical philosophers.
Iuse "belief" in the sense of Theaetetus, Gerson, etc.
Bruno
Quentin
Bruno
In general you believe something, not because you see it, but
because it fits well with your background knowledge. I can't see
the set {0, 1, 2, ...}, nor really define it, yet I hardly doubt
that it makes sense, as it explains a lot of other things in which
I already tend to believe (like the non existence of a bigger
prime, or the existence of universal numbers, the real numbers,
etc.).
Bruno
Quentin
On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
I'd like to.
So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic
departments that have no subject.
This would also include political science, arts, gender studies,
french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what
doesn't build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as
a podcast? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them
all. Right?
I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature.
I've run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.
Brent
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