Le 14 juil. 2014 22:34, "Samiya Illias" <[email protected]> a écrit :
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> On 14-Jul-2014, at 12:00 pm, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> 2014-07-14 17:50 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <[email protected]>:
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>>> On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:25 am, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>> 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>:
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>>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>>>>> 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <[email protected]>:
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>>>>>>> Why do you need to see God to believe in God?
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>>>>>> Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should
you believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger ?
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>>>>> Seeing might make you know *that* you see, but it does not entail
that you know *what* you see, as you might be dreaming or hallucinating.
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>>>> That wasn't what I was implying... I see not point to "believe" or not
"believe"... Why *shoud* I believe anyway ?
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>>> because, if there is more than just this terrestrial life, your
eternity might depend upon your belief, motives and consequent actions
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>> Why should it depend if I believe or not ??
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> That would depend who is making the rules and what the rules are. If it
is for us humans to make rules, given our limited knowledge, desires, hopes
and wishes, we would probably do away with the need to believe. If the
rules are made by a superior intelligence who knows human potential: past,
present and future, then we really do not have a choice in the matter.
Since we can flavour a mixed bag of good and bad, happy and sad, fulfilment
and deprivation, intelligence and ignorance, great wealth and comfort in
contrast with abject poverty and misery, and so on, what makes us so
comfortable that this cannot be repeated, and that also in greater degree,
indefinitely, perpetually? Don't you think it is being very bold and
perilous to oneself to be agnostic or atheist on such a thing?
no. It is quite stupid to blindly believe as you do. Good luck with your
god.
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>>>>> In general you believe something, not because you see it, but because
it fits well with your background knowledge. I can't see the set {0, 1, 2,
...}, nor really define it, yet I hardly doubt that it makes sense, as it
explains a lot of other things in which I already tend to believe (like the
non existence of a bigger prime, or the existence of universal numbers, the
real numbers, etc.).
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>>>>>>> On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
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>>>>>>>>> I'd like to.
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>>>>>>>>> So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic
departments that have no subject.
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>>>>>>>>> This would also include political science, arts, gender studies,
french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what doesn't
build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a podcast? Sauce
for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all. Right?
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>>>>>>>> I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature.
I've run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.
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