On Wednesday, August 20, 2014, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > Stathis: > you wrote Aug.19: > > *"What we know is that the brain can generate consciousness. The brain is > not a digital computer running a program, but if it can be simulated by > one, and if the simulation is conscious, and if the program can be "run" in > Platonia rather than on a physical computer, then every possible brain's > consciousness will necessarily be instantiated. I'm not sure whether > self-referential computations on their own are conscious - that would seem > a further assumption on top of the three mentioned in the previous sentence > - even though it does seem more elegant than simulating klunky brains.* > > Let's skip the question of defining Ccness (maybe broader than BEING > ccous) and let me ask HOW do you know that the brain can generate 'it'? Do > you have a brain that never had 'it' and followed a process BY it(!) > generating Ccness? >
It seems that when the brain is working properly the person is conscious, while if the brain malfunctions or is destroyed the consciousness is affected or stops. > Those experiments in which computer etc. (NOT some 'brain'-input) > 're-started' the process were all carried out on (live?) "brains" > previously capable of doing it (whatever). > I agree that "*The brain is not a digital computer running a > program,...". * > Are ALL details of the so called "brain"(function?) mapped and correlated? > Are all facets of 'brain' even knowable? we think we know some. Then newer > items are detected (or thought so) and included smoothly into the previous > setup. > IMO we are far from being able to 'simulating' a human brain in its > entirety. > Yes, we are far from achieving this but we can speak about what can be done *provided* there is no non-computable physics in the brain. All these discussions we have are predicated on assumptions like this, which science could prove wrong. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
