Liz: upon my sntence
> *The result of such change is what we may call (mutational??) adaptation > in the coming generations. Good, or bad. * > you wrote: *"Or we could stick with accepted usage and call it evolution."* That's exactly what I tried to paraphrase. Not as accepted by me. Besides I evaded the word "random" as improper concept in a WORLD of (debatable?) determinism of infinite tendecies. Only - WE - don't know the explanation and call it 'random' (missing concept in some languages at all). Evolution in my vocabulary draws some further state towards which it tends, a teleologic approach to some goal. Not applicable in an infinite variety nor in a creationist concept: why would the Creator leave its final goal to a wayward (random?) mutational sequence of hard-to-identify selections? It could have shake its wand for the 'final' version (says my human logic<G>). I replied your additional question already. To my view on 'topical? whether we assign those readings (figures) as our emotional stress of yesterday, or as the solution of some new political problems, - or even as making love. Now THAT's a TOPICAL sortiment. John On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 10 September 2014 08:56, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Liz: >> instinctive or learned? our instincts are not 'god-given', they developed >> by learning. >> > > Yes, they are a form of genetic learning. > > >> Then you use my favorite put-down word: "adaptive". >> > > Pot, kettle. You just used a put down by calling it a put down. > > >> I see no 'adaptation' as assigned to (evolutionary?) mutations. *How* >> would a creature recognize benefit/disadvantage ratios to DECIDE what is >> good for her? then again: *How *would the offsprings remember and FIND >> WAYS to implement the GOOD - or eliminate the BAD (as they think of it)? >> then - *HOW* would they do it? (These are some steps for an adaptation). >> > > I assume you know about natural selection, so that's one filter for genes > to learn adaptive behaviour. Otherwise, at what I would consider a higher > level, we have culture in various forms, from learning by imitation to the > internet. > > >> What seems (to me!) more rational: there are tendecies (pressures?) in >> the infinite world (of which we know only a tiny fraction - but are >> subjected to all) and our complexity responds to them as they expose >> themselves onto us. Given the momentary status with more, or less >> efficiency. >> > > Sounds like a vague and woolly version of evolution, so (like Brent on > many occasions) I suspect you are sounding like you disagree but actually > agreeing. > > >> The result of such change is what we may call (mutational??) adaptation >> in the coming generations. Good, or bad. >> > > Or we could stick with accepted usage and call it evolution. > > >> The zebra-fish brain imaging (Chris) is a 'physical-world' representation >> of something more than a billon times simpler than our own mentality (if it >> is right to calculate proportions). I would be happy to see 'adaptive >> behavior' - or, 'strategic awareness' in the fish brain examined in >> physico/physiological numerical *data* comparison only. >> > > Does not compute. Please resubmit your input in English. > > >> Does it point to *topical* features? >> > > You mean, is the fish thinking about sun-cream? I'm afraid we can only > conjecture at this stage. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
