On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> I watched it over a few times seeing this simple, yet still fairly > numerous 80,000 node + (multiple factors more synaptic connections) network > in dynamic action…. How it lights up then relaxes back into lower activity; > how activity in one region of the fish brain seems to trigger or be > associated with other areas that light up with neural activity in a > seemingly synchronized manner. > > > Yes. But not too much, or the fish get epileptic problems. > > Hi Bruno, Not to hijack the discussion... but I suspect that the extreme polarity we see in American politics (and possibly elsewhere) is a symptom of a sort of epileptic seizure of the "global brain", thanks to all the new connections mediated by the internet. Terren > > > Fascinating. It looks like one of Telmo's graph, with an observable > dynamics. > Those transparent animals reminds me of the planar boolean graph of the > MGA ... > > It makes me wonder if there are certain meta behaviors that large highly > networked and parallelized systems share in common. > > > Yes. > Most love bread and wine, and most hates taxes and death. > > > > Wonder if there are certain equations that could express these, if they do > exist and again if such underlying common behavior exists if a knowledge of > them can help designers create better systems. > > > We can study machines with simple (but rich, löbian) beliefs, and then by > imposing simply some self-referentially correct constraints, we can study > the logic of their beliefs and variants in a way which does not depend of > the implementation. So if neural highly parallel system are supposed to be > "correct" or "meaningfull" in the appropriateness of their response with > respect to some highly probable local "reality", then they will obey to the > modal logical equations related to the logic of self-reference. Now, some > of those modal relations can still be based on the mathematics of the 3p > high level cellular automata, or other parallel implementatioons, and > diverse representation theorem should not be excluded. > > > > > > > For example, how do large wide area networks link up, i.e. what is the > topology of their vertices? How do local area connections and sub networks > interact with and become affected by other dynamic network activity that > has a wide area scope and reach…. And the role that long distance vertices > have to play in linking the large number of local groups into a cohesively > functioning whole. > > > It might be similar to the ways news circulate on facebook or the net. It > might also be interesting to have map à la Telmo, managing the dynamics of > the "news and gossips" on the social net. > > > > > The dynamic functioning of highly parallelized, non-centrally directed (or > timed either) wide area networks, characterized by having a plethora of > regions of specialization, is something I find of particular interest. > > > The ultimate reality is 0 dimensional, I think, assuming computationalism > and occam, but of course the fun is not in the ultimate reality. It comes > from inside where parallelism and dialog/exchange might play a crucial > role. Now, computationalism as a TOE (arithmetic, computer science) has not > yet a physical tensor product, so hard to see if the number dreams cohere > enough to have such stable relationships. > > A brain is when amoeba colonies got the cables, but in arithmetic, we are > not yet so advanced. > > Bruno > > > > > -Chris > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > ] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King > *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 3:23 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Fish can communicate and UNDERSTAND each other! > > > http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/09/08/when-your-preys-in-a-hole-and-you-dont-have-a-pole-use-a-moray/ > > > I told you that most animals are less stupid than we might think :) > > Stupidity grows with competence. With a big brain and agile hands, you > *can* blow up the planet. > > Intelligence if of type <>t. You have <>t -> <> ~<>t. Consistency > entails the consistency of inconsistency.It is the basic roots of all our > human and living-being problems. I think. > > I think that we can teach a planaria to move in a virtual environment, and > this could be handy to study simple natural neural net. And copy them. Even > for planaria (thousand of neurons, only 19 optical neuron entries) we > might copy them a long time before having a mathematical specification of > the global functioning. The extreme regeneration power of the planaria is > also helpful in the study of brain development. > > http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Planaria_nervous_system > > or > > http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/363/1500/2071.full > > > n neuron machines can only support mathematical specification for m neuron > machines when m is much less than n. > > Bruno > > > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > [email protected] > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. 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