On 9/21/2014 9:46 PM, LizR wrote:
Surely Bruno doesn't think /anything /capable of (or having the potential for)
computation is conscious? That includes my PC....which I must admit has been reluctant
to open the DVD drive bay doors recently... not to mention that someone with a pencil,
paper and a lot of time could by this definition create a conscious being.
I think that's exactly what he's saying:
"When you say "Bruno make's consciousness a potentiality of an axiomatic system", it would
be more correct to say, that I attribute an actual conscious state, very raw, to the
machine having that universal potentiallity. "
" I "really" (currently) tend to think that RA has a raw (even statical) form of
consciousness, close to the consciousness of all babies, animal and perhaps plants."
"That raw basic consciousness is shared by my and yours laptop, it is the same
consciousness, and it can differentiate maximally on all computational histories."
Brent: Is it conscious no matter what program it's executing?
Bruno: Yes.
That's why he can say consciousness is all-or-nothing (potentialities are
all-or-nothing). That's why he thinks an infant is more conscious than an adult - it has
more potential (but less realization). That's why he thinks losing all your memories
would leave you with the same consciousness.
That's all follows from his definition and it's OK, although it's not the common meaning
of "conscious". What's not OK is to then rely on the intuition that everybody knows what
consciousness is and that no one can seriously doubt it's existence. Those statements are
true of common usage of "conscious", but not necessarily true of Bruno's definition.
Brent
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