On 9/26/2014 3:33 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:07 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 9/25/2014 10:09 AM, John Clark wrote:On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:05 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:>> Evolution is only interested in intelligent behavior because only that and not consciousness helps get genes into the next generation. So how did consciousness manage to produce at least one being (me) that's conscious? There are only 2 possibilities: 1) Perhaps consciousness aids in producing intelligent behavior. If this is true then it would be easier to make a intelligent computer that was conscious than to make a Intelligent computer that was not conscious. It would also mean that the Turing Test is not only a test for intelligence but was also a good (although not infallible) test for consciousness too. 2) The only way to produce intelligent behavior is to process information, and perhaps it's just a brute fact that consciousness is how information feels when it's being processed. In my opinion #2 is more likely than #1 but if Darwin was right then one of the two must be true, But either way consciousness must be a biological spandrel, and if you ever run across a smart computer you can conclude that it's probably conscious too.> I think #1 is more likely, so long as we identify consciousness with what we experience I don't know why you say "we", there is only one being you know to be conscious without even the smallest doubt. And things happen even to rocks, is this what you mean by "experience"?You should read at least to the end of the sentence before asking what it means.> imaging, inner narrative, language (does anybody here think they could formulate and understand Lob's theorem without language?). But does use of language imply consciousness?No, but I think it is necessary to much of my consciousness, i.e. without it I would have a different and diminished consciousness.If so then Watson is conscious, after all the only way we have of knowing if somebody understands something is to ask them questions about it and see if they give satisfactory answers.Sure, I think Watson is conscious, but not as conscious as I am. For example I don't think Watson could pass the usual test I get when I crash my motorcycle: How many fingers do you see? So a blind person is less conscious than you?
Slightly. Unless they have heightened compensatory perceptions in other modes. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
