"Nobody worships matter" But many worship nature. I do not see much difference. Richard
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:55 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/3/2014 10:20 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > >>A lot of evidence for some God (like the god Matter), is not a proof of > its existence, still less so in front of complex open problems. > > > > I have been having a very long argument -- on another list – with a man > whose intellect and mind I very much respect, but who is irrationally > attached to the notion of the god Matter. It has gone on for over fifty > back and forth posts and this person – who is intelligent and very aware of > events in the world and in the mind… a man who has had deep spiritual > experiences and is someone I generally respect. > > But my questioning of the “need” for actual real stuff in the universe and > my pointing out that fundamentally all we know about the universe is > information we can measure about it and that it is information itself (and > information processes – i.e. computation) that seems to be – and arguably > could be – fundamental… it hit a brick wall in his brain. There is just no > budging him on it and he has become quite heated in his insistence on the > existence of – as you put it god Matter. It keeps creeping up in the > arguments he puts forth as a given. > > It is a difficult problem to even get someone to question whether or not > this “god Matter” is even necessary for the formulation of an explanation > for reality. > > > Matter is something not very well defined, even in physics. It's roughly > fermions. But fermions are thought to be excitations of a more fundamental > field. That's why physicists like Max Tegmark are led to propose it's math > all the way down. > > But it's pejorative to refer to it as "god". Nobody worships matter. > Physics textbooks don't have moral prescriptions derived from QED. To call > it "god" is to give into Bruno's desire to make all fundamental science > "theology". > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
