"Nobody worships matter" But many worship nature. I do not see much difference. Richard
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:55 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 10/3/2014 10:20 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > >>A lot of evidence for some God (like the god Matter), is not a proof of > its existence, still less so in front of complex open problems. > > > > I have been having a very long argument -- on another list – with a man > whose intellect and mind I very much respect, but who is irrationally > attached to the notion of the god Matter. It has gone on for over fifty > back and forth posts and this person – who is intelligent and very aware of > events in the world and in the mind… a man who has had deep spiritual > experiences and is someone I generally respect. > > But my questioning of the “need” for actual real stuff in the universe and > my pointing out that fundamentally all we know about the universe is > information we can measure about it and that it is information itself (and > information processes – i.e. computation) that seems to be – and arguably > could be – fundamental… it hit a brick wall in his brain. There is just no > budging him on it and he has become quite heated in his insistence on the > existence of – as you put it god Matter. It keeps creeping up in the > arguments he puts forth as a given. > > It is a difficult problem to even get someone to question whether or not > this “god Matter” is even necessary for the formulation of an explanation > for reality. > > > Matter is something not very well defined, even in physics. It's roughly > fermions. But fermions are thought to be excitations of a more fundamental > field. That's why physicists like Max Tegmark are led to propose it's math > all the way down. > > But it's pejorative to refer to it as "god". Nobody worships matter. > Physics textbooks don't have moral prescriptions derived from QED. To call > it "god" is to give into Bruno's desire to make all fundamental science > "theology". > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
