what about Tegmarks' statement that consciousness is another form of matter.
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From: Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: generalizations_of_islam
"Nobody worships matter"
But many worship nature.
I do not see much difference.
Richard
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:55 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 10/3/2014 10:20 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
>>A lot of evidence for some God (like the god Matter), is not a
>>proof of its existence, still less so in front of complex open
>>problems.
I have been having a very long argument -- on another list –
with a man whose intellect and mind I very much respect, but who is
irrationally attached to the notion of the god Matter. It has gone on
for over fifty back and forth posts and this person – who is
intelligent and very aware of events in the world and in the mind… a
man who has had deep spiritual experiences and is someone I generally
respect.
But my questioning of the “need” for actual real stuff in the
universe and my pointing out that fundamentally all we know about the
universe is information we can measure about it and that it is
information itself (and information processes – i.e. computation)
that seems to be – and arguably could be – fundamental… it hit a brick
wall in his brain. There is just no budging him on it and he has
become quite heated in his insistence on the existence of – as you put
it god Matter. It keeps creeping up in the arguments he puts forth as
a given.
It is a difficult problem to even get someone to question whether
or not this “god Matter” is even necessary for the formulation of
an explanation for reality.
Matter is something not very well defined, even in physics. It's
roughly fermions. But fermions are thought to be excitations of a more
fundamental field. That's why physicists like Max Tegmark are led to
propose it's math all the way down.
But it's pejorative to refer to it as "god". Nobody worships
matter. Physics textbooks don't have moral prescriptions derived from
QED. To call it "god" is to give into Bruno's desire to make all
fundamental science "theology".
Brent
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