On 14 Oct 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]
> wrote:
On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh that is stupid beyond belief. "The argument here is that there
is no subjective impression." WTF? Maybe this guy is the best
argument we have for philosophical zombies. I suppose he means
*objectively* there is no subjective impression, but try to parse
the meaning of that assertion!
Yes, the "consciousness does not exist" claim is on the face of it so
obviously absurd that I think its proponents must mean something else
by it, such as that consciousness is epiphenomenal.
It's possibly the most absurd claim one can make, because it's
precisely the only thing one can know for sure (assuming non-
solipsism).
Well, eve more so so with solipsism, note.
I think this is an attempt at dogma, and of the worst kind. Once we
accept such an idea, we necessarily lose all confidence in our own
cognitive abilities. Nothing is possible anymore, because the most
fundamental aspect of reality is denied. Reason is completely thrown
out of the window. There is no ground to stand on. As others pointed
out, if it's an illusion, who's being deceived? If this question is
an abuse of language, then we might as well throw language out of
the window too, because it's completely useless.
They eliminate consciousness because they grasp that it is the only
way to keep the aristotelian belief in a creation intact.
They don't want to backtrack to Plato.
It is not uncommon for "believer" to accept a contradiction to save
their faith, which appears to be of the type *blind*.
It is wishful thinking. Which is doubly absurd from people eliminating
consciousness.
Bruno
Telmo.
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