> On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:41 am, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On 28 Nov 2014, at 8:35 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need intelligence
>>> to develop competence.
>>
>> IN my humble opinion you don't need consciousness to develop intelligence.
>> Large parts of our own brains behave intelligently - e.g. processing visual
>> images - without being conscious. Evolution has developed (relatively)
>> intelligent behaviour in animals and plants that are probably not conscious.
>> The immune response is certainly more intelligent (in terms of keeping the
>> organism containing it alive) than letting diseases kill it, but I doubt it
>> involves consciousness.
>
> Does this mean my Kiwi-designed new $2000 Fysher & Pykel fridge is
> intelligent?
>
> Kim
>
I mean, why not call an expensive and highly versatile gadget "intelligent"? We
already attribute competence to gadgets ("smartphones") and presumably the more
competent the gadget, the more it assumes qualities and capabilities that
remind us of ourselves which is probably explicable in modal logic. A Universal
Machine recognises another UM, clearly. The only thing missing is the bad
breath, the bad philosophy and the need to whinge about everything (presumably
Löbian qualities).
K
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