On 29 November 2014 at 06:04, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:35, LizR wrote:
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> On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need intelligence
>> to develop competence.
>>
>
> IN my humble opinion you don't need consciousness to develop intelligence.
>
> Keep in mind that I distinguish intelligence from competence.
>
> Large parts of our own brains behave intelligently - e.g. processing
> visual images - without being conscious.
>
> But that part of my brain might not behave intelligently. It behaves with
> a high competence. I am not sure if there is any intelligence there.
>

Of course this depends on how one defines intelligence... I suspect that
some people have "defined in" consciousness as part of intelligence. Which
is OK as long as we're all agreed that's what we're talking about. E.g.
does intel involve intentional behaviour etc? Or does it just involve (say)
coming up with solutions to problems?

The former probably involves consciousness, the second can be achieved by
evolution, and presumably was, somewhere, before anything at all was
conscious.

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