On 28 Nov 2014, at 23:19, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2014 at 06:04, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:35, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need
intelligence to develop competence.
IN my humble opinion you don't need consciousness to develop
intelligence.
Keep in mind that I distinguish intelligence from competence.
Large parts of our own brains behave intelligently - e.g.
processing visual images - without being conscious.
But that part of my brain might not behave intelligently. It behaves
with a high competence. I am not sure if there is any intelligence
there.
Of course this depends on how one defines intelligence... I suspect
that some people have "defined in" consciousness as part of
intelligence. Which is OK as long as we're all agreed that's what
we're talking about. E.g. does intel involve intentional behaviour
etc? Or does it just involve (say) coming up with solutions to
problems?
The former probably involves consciousness, the second can be
achieved by evolution, and presumably was, somewhere, before
anything at all was conscious.
I think we agree. Intelligence involve consciousness, by definition if
you want. It is not much. It is basically an attitude, which is a
given for a virgin universal machine. But it can disappear with big
brain, big fear, and big cowardliness. Normally intelligence, for a
Löbian entity, is the courage to say "I was wrong". It is useful to
get competence, but competence itself can alter intelligence. I use
the term "intelligence" in a sense well approached by Bohm and
Krishnamurti, in the book with their dialog. It is not unrelated with
enlightenment as used by neoplatonist researchers.
Bruno
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