On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:35, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need
intelligence to develop competence.
IN my humble opinion you don't need consciousness to develop
intelligence.
Keep in mind that I distinguish intelligence from competence.
Large parts of our own brains behave intelligently - e.g. processing
visual images - without being conscious.
But that part of my brain might not behave intelligently. It behaves
with a high competence. I am not sure if there is any intelligence
there.
Evolution has developed (relatively) intelligent behaviour in
animals and plants that are probably not conscious.
Well, with my definitions, if it is intelligent, it is conscious. If
not, it is just competence, may be involving some consciousness at a
higher level (I don't know), but the competence (wherever it comes
from) does not need intelligence, nor even consciousness. Indeed, when
you are quite competent at a task, you can almost do it without
thinking, without consciousness, without intelligence. Intelligence is
needed when things go awry: for example when you car does *not* start,
at morning.
The immune response is certainly more intelligent (in terms of
keeping the organism containing it alive) than letting diseases kill
it, but I doubt it involves consciousness.
I doubt it requires intelligence. You will not say that the immune
system of someone immune-deficient is stupid, you will say it is
broken, like a "machine" (in the 19th century sense of course).
Keep in mind that I completely distinguish intelligence from
competence. Intelligence is a very high level abstract ability, almost
an attitude by a person (first person) which makes it able to be
confronted with a novel situation and able to generate some *new*
competence. Like Brent said, it is a sort of meta-competence. All
universal machines have it, at least potentially. But all universal
machine can lost it very easily, notably when confined in non creative
task or non universal tasks, or by being punished when wrong, perhaps.
Babies, children, virgin universal machines are typically intelligent
and incompetent. At the start. Unfortunately they can easily evolve
toward stupidity+competence, a nasty mixture which often leads to harms.
Bruno
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
