On 29 Nov 2014, at 06:20, meekerdb wrote:
I don't think there's a single definition of consciousness because I
think there are different kinds, as I indicated below.
There is two kinds, mainly. Consciousness/awareness, and self-
consciousness. It is the difference between Universality and Löbianity
(universality and the knowledge of one own universality).
Bruno
Brent
On 11/28/2014 6:37 PM, LizR wrote:
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is
something like "awareness of yourself and your environment" and
asking if you had a better definition a couple of days ago. Did you
reply? I don't recall seeing anything.
If not - any ideas?
On 29 November 2014 at 13:39, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 11/28/2014 12:53 PM, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2014 at 04:42, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
Kim Jones:
>> Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution
producing intelligence without consciousness.
> iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space
probes etc. etc.
If you believe all these things are smart then fine, but what
makes you think they're not conscious?
Because the deisgners didn't include a consciousness module, of
course! :-)
Or maybe because John (and Bruno and me and probably you) use
different definitions of "conscious". Is it:
1) Awareness = appropriate goal-directed response to some aspects
of the surroundings
2) Intelligence = learning and adapting behavior based on experience
3) Using symbolic reasoning (language) = to decide among
hypothetical actions
4) Having an inner narrative?
Brent
When Evolution made information processing devices it found it was
much much easier to produce emotion than intelligence, so why in
the world would we find the exact opposite to be true when we make
the same sort of thing?
One possible answer - because evolution is working to a different
set of criteria.
Another possible answer - because evolution used trial and error
over millions of years rather than designing what was needed to do
a specific job.
Another possible answer - because evolution used different
materials, and a different architecture (wetware operates very
differently from electronic hardware).
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