Kim Jones:

>> Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution producing
>> intelligence without consciousness.
>>
>
> > iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes etc.
> etc.
>

If you believe all these things are smart then fine, but what makes you
think they're not conscious? When Evolution made information processing
devices it found it was much much easier to produce emotion than
intelligence, so why in the world would we find the exact opposite to be
true when we make the same sort of thing?

> Evolution is supposed to be "the only game in town"
>

I don't know who you're quoting but it's not me, and it's not true, at
least not anymore. At one time Evolution was the only way complex objects
could get make, but that stopped being true 545 million years ago during
the Cambrian Explosion when, more than 3 billion years after life first
appeared, Evolution finely managed to make the first primitive brain.


> > Evolution has produced all of these things, John.


Evolution made us, but we made the iPhone; Evolution has severe limitations
and could never have made a iPhone, it never even managed to make a
macroscopic part that moved in 360 degrees.

  John K Clark











> so where else could they have come from?
>
> Kim
>
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