Hi Brent I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is something like "awareness of yourself and your environment" and asking if you had a better definition a couple of days ago. Did you reply? I don't recall seeing anything.
If not - any ideas? On 29 November 2014 at 13:39, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/28/2014 12:53 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 29 November 2014 at 04:42, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Kim Jones: >> >> >> Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution >>>> producing intelligence without consciousness. >>>> >>> >>> > iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes >>> etc. etc. >>> >> >> If you believe all these things are smart then fine, but what makes you >> think they're not conscious? >> > > Because the deisgners didn't include a consciousness module, of course! > :-) > > > Or maybe because John (and Bruno and me and probably you) use different > definitions of "conscious". Is it: > > 1) Awareness = appropriate goal-directed response to some aspects of the > surroundings > 2) Intelligence = learning and adapting behavior based on experience > 3) Using symbolic reasoning (language) = to decide among hypothetical > actions > 4) Having an inner narrative? > > Brent > > > >> When Evolution made information processing devices it found it was >> much much easier to produce emotion than intelligence, so why in the world >> would we find the exact opposite to be true when we make the same sort of >> thing? >> > > One possible answer - because evolution is working to a different set > of criteria. > Another possible answer - because evolution used trial and error over > millions of years rather than designing what was needed to do a specific > job. > Another possible answer - because evolution used different materials, and > a different architecture (wetware operates very differently from electronic > hardware). > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
