Hi, Bruno, do you have a short (reasonbly WORDED???) explanation for what you call ENERGY? I asked this question from several physicists and did not get an answer I could even follow (not: understand, of course). Math summersaults do not help.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > > > On 07 Dec 2014, at 15:16, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Bruno, > > You seem to be arguing that the total energy in the multiverse is a > constant. > Is that so? > > > > I think indeed, assuming QM (without collapse), that the total energy of > the multiverse is constant, and even equal to zero. Cf DeWitt-Wheeler > equation: H = 0. > > Have you read Wilczek short paper referred to by Bruce Kellett? > > http://frankwilczek.com/2013/multiverseEnergy01.pdf > > It explains why QM implies, at least formally, why we should not add the > energy of the different terms in the superposition. > > That seems obvious to me. We never consider that a particle going through > two slits needs the doubling of its energy. If that was the case, a quantum > computer solving big factorization by using Shor algorithm would need more > energy than the one available in the observable universe. > > Bruno > > > > Richard > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 06 Dec 2014, at 12:59, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 05 Dec 2014, at 20:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> >>> What I want to know is if anyone takes conservation of energy seriously? >>> >>> >>> Yes. Quantum mechanics without collapse does not violate the >>> conservation of energy. You just cannot sum up the energy in the different >>> branch of the superposition. If you do, just the two slits experiment would >>> violate energy conservation, but the math shows otherwise. >>> Similarly thanks to the quantization modal principle which is a theorem >>> in the material modalities (hypostases) we have good reason that the >>> physics extracted from comp will conserve energy, and the probabilities. >>> >> >> >> Please explain how you cannot sum all the energies in each branch. >> >> >> Because QM's equation allows only interference between the branch, not >> physical interaction. You can formally add the energy of course, but that >> sum of energy is not available in any branches. According to Weinberg, that >> would be the case if the SWE was slightly delinearize. Strict linearity >> avoids all physical or observable mixture of the components of the >> universal wave, making such a sum of energy in different branches of the >> wave non physical. An hydrogen atom with an electron in a superposed state >> of two level of energy has not an energy being the sum of the two energies. >> You don't need that sum of energy to put the electron is such a state. the >> superposition of the incoming photon will be enough. >> I might think of a more formal treatment of this. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:49 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/5/2014 8:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from >>>>>> primary existence. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What's the difference? Isn't physical existence the paradigmatic >>>>> case? the example we point to when asked to define "exits"? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not wanting to bypass Bruno's more sophisticated explanations, I tend >>>> to equate "physical existence" with the idea of something existing >>>> independently of an observer. Or, to put it another way, taking 3p reality >>>> seriously. No? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sure. Does anyone not take it seriously - I mean anyone outside a >>>> mental hospital? >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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